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        10-19-2013, 01:08 AM
    Good luck to you too amp23! Thank you! :)
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        10-19-2013, 02:01 AM
    Yeah I'll admit I probably coulda sugar coated to surgeon comment. LOL. But I've seen and read so much of people being taken advantage of, from the allopathic community that I tend not to be so kind in those regards. And it is unfair of me to say such things to imply it to all off the people in that community. But I get tired of seeing people continue to get sicker and poorer from it so......I tend to leave the sugar out of it.

    Franknbeans - I wasn't implying you had zero knowledge whatsoever. I was just saying that it sounds that you have never experienced nor have any knowledge from what I speak of. If you did, you would be astounded at what the human body is capable of doing. Teeth regrowing, limbs straightening, cavities healed, teeth pushing amalgams out and rebuilding, scar tissue going away, tumors dissolving, organs rebuilding, bones which have been broken for years finally healing fully, people in wheelchairs who were paralyzed finally walking. It just goes on and on. Can you say that you've seen the same via medication? And it's not fair to cite alleviation for a few years to only need more medication or surgery, but actual healing. And can you say that you've seen it happen again and again for thousands upon thousands of people. Day in and day out?

    Just you know who funds those scientific studies??? Those studies cost tens of millions of dollars, so it's quite apparent that it's someone with something to gain. And it's been revealed, that many times those studies are fudged so they can sell their products. Commercials on tv are showing the after effects of this. To me the real proof is when the person doing the study has nothing to gain. How about the thousands of people speaking up of their healing when they changed their eating habits. I suppose that can't qualify as, "scientific proof", because no one can make enormous amounts of profit from it.

    Busysmurf - Nope, never was anyone's teacher, nor would I want to be. That's why I suggest places to begin studying, because IMO, if someone isn't willing to figure out how to take control of their own body then....well, it's their body they have to deal with the pain. And not all holistic ways are the same either, that's for dang sure. So to lump what I'm suggesting to be researched with everything else out there is unfair to it. And not all practitioners fully understand how damaging it can be if the process is rushed. There's a reason why they have clinics for drug addicts to help them kick their habit. If they detox them too quickly they can get very sick or worse. Same thing happens when cleansing a very diseased toxic body to bring it to a place of healing.

    I'm not saying it's the only way either, at least I hope I didn't say it's the only way....nope, didn't. There are definitely others, but the ones I know of involve letting go of even larger beliefs than ones such as food or medication. But I'm speaking of actual healing, not just alleviation.

    Basically after all of this quibbling all that I was really trying to say is.....
    Incitatus32 - your body can heal. It has an absolutely amazing potential for self healing, even if what your doctor is saying sounds grim. Your body is much smarter than doctors, and it's been shown that you can heal people through belief and the way you talk to them alone. Simply saying positive things, "IMO, all doctors need a course on learning this in their schooling", will give the patient the positive feeling that they are getting better. And it's been shown that this alone can has an enormous positive impact upon the health of the patient. And when this is combined with eating healthier it literally renders doctors speechless at the rapid recovery of their patients. Some of the stories I've heard of where people had broken bones are quite comical to the reaction the doctor had.
        10-19-2013, 06:00 AM
    I just read in a women's magazine how a group who were told that their daily routine was burning a lot of calories actually lost weight, while a second group who did the same routine wasn't told that, & lost no weight!
        10-19-2013, 07:30 AM
    Total-I am done discussing it with you, since I am not going to allow the entire thread to be hijacked. That is not fair to the OP. I do not owe you any explanations-I have science to back me up, and yes, people make $$ off of the studies by developing new therapies, etc. Do you honestly think the folks you follow do it out of the goodness of their heart?

    Keep us informed, OP-we are hoping for the best for you, but please make informed decisions.
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        10-19-2013, 08:04 AM
    Originally Posted by franknbeans    
    Total-I am done discussing it with you, since I am not going to allow the entire thread to be hijacked. That is not fair to the OP. I do not owe you any explanations-I have science to back me up, and yes, people make $$ off of the studies by developing new therapies, etc. Do you honestly think the folks you follow do it out of the goodness of their heart?

    Keep us informed, OP-we are hoping for the best for you, but please make informed decisions.
    Couldn't have said it better, and you are far nicer than I would have been. Sometimes you can't make people understand that anecdote ≠ evidence or evidence based practices.

    To the OP, I do hope you are able to get a second opinion from a sports medicine ortho and I also hope for the best outcome for you
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        10-19-2013, 11:50 AM
    I wonder if the doctor lost someone or knew someone who had lost someone due to a riding accident? My dad's boss at work had a daughter who was killed by a horse. It took years for my dad to be comfortable with me having horses. I would fall off and limp home and not mention it to my dad, as he said if I got hurt the horse would go.

    The doctor may really have your best interests in mind. I don't know what your X rays look like, or what your rate of recovery has been, but usually that gives the doctor a good idea of the prognosis.

    I hate to say it, but you may need to re-think your vet school plans. I grew up wanting to have a "only horses" career and now I am in my 20's and my career is over due to health issues (not horse related). I am also teaching my horse to drive, as my riding career is on it's way out as well.

    If spending time with horses is something you plan on doing your entire life, you need to start thinking about how your body will hold up in the long term. Even if that means being a small animal vet instead.

    I know how difficult it is to give up on a dream, but unfortunately that is life. If you ignore your body and try to do it anyway, you will pay for it. Is it worth not being able to do anything horse related when you are in your 30's due to being in so much pain?
        10-19-2013, 02:21 PM
    I find it quite odd that people are getting upset when someone suggests that eating healthier can increase one's ability to recover from trauma or sickness.? Isn't it well known anymore that your health is a reflection of your diet? Logically thinking...does anyone out there actually think that eating pizza, burgers, and "food" that has ingredients which were created in a lab are just as healthy as the food that nature provides?

    And franknbeans, you claiming that you have a degree and a license and that you look at all possible scenarios......seriously? Isn't it common in your profession to let patients know that eating healthier is GOOD for them? All those years of experience in a field that's supposed to be about health, but yet you can't claim any experience of bringing lasting true health to any patients through medication, without them needing to be on a constant maintenance program of eating pills. And even if you can claim one instance that's, excellent, but can you say to have seen it tens of thousands of times? After 30 years I'm sure you've seen at least that many people.

    And your science based "proof" is created via an evil motive......GREED. All these years of, "searching for a cure", yet they have never released one. Yet there's evidence of these same groups covering up the truth when it comes to healing when it interferes with their profits. Not a path I would want to follow.

    I'll leave a quote for the ones who have no experience in eating healthier to create HEALTH in the human body, but feel they need to comment to imply that I shouldn't be discussing something I know through experience creates lasting health.

    "The highest form of ignorance is when you reject something you don't know anything about" - Wayne Dyer
        10-19-2013, 03:20 PM
    TF-this thread is about the OP, not your beliefs. We ALL should eat healthy. I think we all know that. Stop focusing on preaching to us and PLEASE stop derailing this thread.

    P.S.I think you need to read your own quote.
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        10-21-2013, 05:54 PM
    Well I went to the P.T for an eval and to begin. Turns out I got the PT that was an assistant when my mom had her knee injuries, small world.... They did the initial "How much mobility do you have and how much do you want back?" talk and then gave some (hopefully) good news.

    Turns out right now, I have about 75% range of motion in that knee and less than 1cm of swelling/post surgical trauma (that's what the PT said any rate lol). The PT spent about 45 minuets talking with the surgeon (very loudly ), and seemed pretty positive that they would be able to get me back into riding/horses. She also said that on the aspect of being a large animal vet I won't know until I try. The PT said that realistically they couldn't simulate the stress that that would bring on my body so it's simply a decision that's going to have to be made when I get ready to enter vet school. The PT said that because of the range of motion I had now, as well as the limited pain/swelling I stood a good chance of being able to support the weight on my knee (more so if I would lose more weight after this year and get my spine checked out, as well as recover the muscle that I had before the injury). She joked and said that I was "young enough to adapt and relearn how to distribute the extra baggage". She seemed to think that the hardest part was going to be retraining my body to trust that knee and undo that psychology part. I also asked her to refer me to a sports medicine/physio place in the town where I'm going to be moving to and she looked at me funny and said: "Go here." turns out I live 10 minuets away from my state's NFL (or something like that) therapy place that's on a national ranking or something. Before I go up she's going to write the referral to get me in.

    Potentially bad news is that my scar tissue is thick, tough and not exactly going to be easy to break free. So that's going to be a pain in the behind. (And I didn't consider this that bad of news...) I might have a limp. I've always known that one side of my body was slightly bigger than the other (and had a slightly different gait because of it), but that coupled with my knee might have been enough to make it noticeable. I told her so long as she got me back to riding and my school I personally could care less about walking like a lamed up horse.

    None of these are concrete yet, but I feel like I'm getting more answers from her than the surgeon, and it kinda made my day that now I know they had at least ONE conversation between them.
    AND to top the cake off with icing: my BO (who breeds, sells, and trains Morgans and other horses) called and told me that when I'm ready for my next horse (granted in a few years lol) to give her a shout, because between her contacts and clients she can have a safe, sane horse for cheap that's either broke or ready to be and offered to put time on it seeing as it was 'her haybale' that broke me in the first place. I tried to refuse (because she's not exactly a spring chicken and shouldn't throw her time away like that) but she had none of it and sent me a coupon she made on her computer.

    I've got my fingers crossed that this is the turning point here!
        11-08-2013, 12:02 AM
    I just wanted to give a small update because I loved the advice that you guys gave, and it really helped me a lot.

    My PT said at my appointment today that there was really nothing else she could think of to do anymore, aside from scraping scar tissue, checking for any soft tissue damage and then just continuing on what we're doing. My knee goes to 90 degrees and just stops, despite all the effort and time I put into my excersizes and appointments. I pass all of my resistance tests except for one (and even then I'm so close), but the bending is at a stand still. I go in to talk to the surgeon soon and the PT is going to come and see what he thinks about the progress. She said that it might be we've just hit the limit of it for a while.

    I find out this coming appointment whether or not I can go to school (which has NO elevators at all), work, drive and maybe ride horses (doesn't hurt to ask, right?). Please keep your fingers crossed for me, I really want there to be a 'yes' to at least two or three of these things! :)
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