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        11-04-2013, 07:44 AM
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    Originally Posted by horsecrazy8    
    Really. Than how come they invented euthanasia fluid if shooting was so humane?

    Because it is less shocking for humans and appears to be a "gentle" death sometimes.
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        11-04-2013, 07:48 AM
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    Originally Posted by Palomine    
    Many people don't have a gun, or know where to shoot one. And I know of no one that has a captive bolt gun for that matter.

    Your trainer is doing the right thing.

    Also the current push to make it illegal for a vet to carry the meds to put an animal down, may well make it to where owners and handlers HAVE to learn how to shoot one to kill it.
    In the UK no-one shoots their own horses, (well no-one I have ever heard of), it is always carried out by a professional horse slaughterer (knackerman) or the vet with (but I have only used a vet for lethal injection not captive bolt death). Here many hunts will pts for people as well.
        11-04-2013, 08:49 AM
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    Originally Posted by CheyRider    
    Do you use a chemical that makes the horse suffocate in the US?
    I'm asking because in Germany, there are two ways to euthanize a horse with chemicals. Option 1 used to be the norm and involves a shot that would paralyze the muscles, making the horse suffocate. They are given a narcotic first to make them sleep (doesn't always work from what I read).
    Option 2 is what I would use. It's basically an overdose of a narcotic, so they go to sleep just like for a surgery and then they just don't wake up any more. I think it's more expensive to do it this way, but as humane as it can get. I'd prefer to have a horse shot rather than use Option 1, it must be horrible trying to breathe but not being able to, and who knows how aware they are of what's happening even when the narcotic works and they do sleep through it.

    CheyRider, are you sure??

    I have NEVER heard of the suffocation method, nor seen it practised. Nor do I know any vet that would allow a horse to "suffocate" through paralysis of the muscles.

    If possible, I would take my horse to the knacker's yard.

    You can't always time, or expect what is going to happen. If a horse breaks its leg hacking out, or jumping a XCountry course, what ever is at hand.

    If a horse goes down in the field, and the vet is on hand? (we were fortunate that day) then sure.

    But I have seen a planned euth.. NOT pretty. More than one, to be honest. One in particular sticks in my mind and I wouldn't wish that on any creature, or owner.
        11-04-2013, 04:30 PM
    Duffy Duck, the chemical is called T 61, it paralyzes the muscles, but not the brain. It is supposed to be used only on a sedated (sleeping) animal in order to avoid conscious suffocation. However, sometimes the sedation doesn't work that well, or the vet doesn't wait until the sedation actually works. You can't really tell how much the animal suffers once the injection is given since the horse can't move any more. But if it's not asleep, oh my, how horrible. There is plenty of advice on the internet about it, many people think it's perfectly alright to use still when used properly, but I wouldn't risk it. Eutha 77 or similar chemicals, on the other hand, are the same ones used to sedate a horse for surgery. Horse falls asleep, is given more of the chemical until dead. Vets often prefer T 61 because it's much cheaper.
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        11-04-2013, 04:31 PM
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    Thanks for the info Chey.. You learn something new every day. Anyone who reads that and still thinks chemical euthing is more humane than a bullet needs their head put on straight
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        11-04-2013, 06:06 PM
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    ^I still think it's mostly the image and reputation guns/bullets have that make people shy away from them.
        11-04-2013, 06:43 PM
    While I personally would not be able to look my horse in the eye and shoot him/her with either a captive bolt gun, or any other gun, I do think that it is a humane way to do it if done right. I've always done euth by vet because that's the option we have in a city, but if we ever get land, I want to make sure that I know someone close by who can and will use a gun instead. Especially being out there, the poor horse is in agony sometimes until the vet can get out, and that's not fair to the animal. Less messy, sometimes, but not more humane. I agree that if I were hurt to the point where the only option is euth, I'd want to be shot instead of waiting for the authorities to get there to give me a shot, then have to wait even more time for it to take effect. With any type of euth, there is always a slight risk of something going wrong, I don't think there's any way to get around that, but at least her horses aren't suffering, and she's not paying out the butt to put them down.
        11-05-2013, 12:47 PM
    NOTE: MY trainer loves her horses very much, I have only heard of her doing this not actually seen it she just told me how she did it.

    The reasons she did it was because her one old school horse went down in pasture and he was suffering, she didn't want to wait for the vet to come.

    The other reason was, she had this cute little bay mare who was about nine years old, she came down with a horrible case of colic and it was either have the vet euthanize her and stress her out or die in mommy's arms, she chose captive bolt.

    She is a very nice women, she just happens to use a less common method.
        11-05-2013, 01:32 PM
    Well then, why did you even bother asking if it were cruel and having a snit fit over wanting to report her to someone, if you supposedly knew all of that already?

    Plus, horses don't have 'mommies', they have owners.
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        11-05-2013, 01:40 PM

    Ditto that.
    You either believe your trainer loves her animals and would do the best she could don't.
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