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post #21 of 35 Old 11-18-2013, 06:08 PM
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Originally Posted by frlsgirl View Post
My fasting glucose was 77. Here is what I eat before I ride:

2 multigrain blueberry waffles with 1 tablespoon of almond butter. Once cup of green tea without sugar. Total calories: 270. Total sugar grams: about 12.

On my way to the lesson, I drink about 8 to 16 ounces of water.
Yeah see that isn't enough carbs to offset the ones that you burn. You should also drink water during your lesson too... staying hydrated is very important.

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post #22 of 35 Old 11-18-2013, 06:16 PM
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It sounds like me, I have exercise induced asthma too. My doctor gave me an inhaler to use about 10 minutes before heavy exercise. I now don't pass out on my horse anymore, but I can also JOG which I've never been able to do in my life without severe pain.

Last summer I passed out so bad that my trainer had to run up and catch me before I hit the ground.
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post #23 of 35 Old 11-19-2013, 10:23 AM Thread Starter
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Originally Posted by Cinnys Whinny View Post
It sounds like me, I have exercise induced asthma too. My doctor gave me an inhaler to use about 10 minutes before heavy exercise. I now don't pass out on my horse anymore, but I can also JOG which I've never been able to do in my life without severe pain.

Last summer I passed out so bad that my trainer had to run up and catch me before I hit the ground.
Oh wow - glad I'm not the only one. I don't want my trainer to think that I'm a liability so I need to get this under control. I made an appointment with an allergist.
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post #24 of 35 Old 11-19-2013, 10:26 AM Thread Starter
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Originally Posted by Skyseternalangel View Post
Yeah see that isn't enough carbs to offset the ones that you burn. You should also drink water during your lesson too... staying hydrated is very important.
I know but trying to sit the trot with a full bladder is no fun ;) I wonder how competitive dressage riders deal with that.
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I'm seeing a lack of protein. You should be eating 1/2 of your weight in grams of protein. I would ditch the waffles and eat a fruit smoothie with Vega or a protein powder added and add a lot more weight training to your work out.
I can do 30 minutes on an elliptical at level 12 on the hills program at 6 mph with my heart rate up to about 80% max and feel hunky dory the whole way through.
Weighted squats at max weight I can do one rep and that's it before I need to have a break. My heart rate is through the roof, I feel light headed and need some protein (lol yes I have protein cravings). I ride up to about 3 horses per day, the highest level is schooling GP, and it is not a thing, I don't get light headed even when I'm really having to push and ride. All top riders cross train so when they get on the horses, even up to the last horse, they are fresh and have energy to put in a good ride.

Anyways, the long and the short is eat more protein - eat food as fuel! Add in some protein powder to your day, keep drinking water and do more weighted exercise and worry less about low intensity cardio.

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post #26 of 35 Old 11-19-2013, 12:30 PM
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I agree. Add some egg whites to your breakfast or something because you've got no protein there. And a piece of fruit (not just the blueberrys in the waffles). Fruits are high in "natural" sugar, so I usually only eat one per day, but they are still good fruits.

"Cardio Zone" on an exercise machine is a bunch of bull, IMO. If you can stay on that thing for 35 minutes in "cardio zone", then it's not cardio zone. I invested in a heart rate moniter a few years ago and it was the best money I ever spent. Really makes you realize how OFF the gym equipment is.

For my "easy cardio" (as I like to call it), I'll do 45 minutes to an hour keeping my heart rate about 160 bpm steady. You burn a ton of calories and fat during the workout.

For some high intensity to change it up, I'll do intervals to get that good cardio blast. For example:
3 minute warm up
2 minutes at 200 bpm heart rate
3 minutes recovery
2 minutes 200 bpm
3 minutes recovery
2 minutes 200 bpm
5 minute cool down

So the high intensity workout is only about 20 minutes, and you can vary your intervals for your skill level (you won't be able to do 2 minutes right off the bat). And you target high beats per minute will vary on your age and fitness level. I'm young and healthy, so i've got to get it pretty high (200 bpm) which is NOT easy. The idea behind this is that you will not burn fat during your workout, but you'll burn fat all during the day AFTER your workout.

So just some ideas on how you can change it up.

Obviously, still would be wise to go see your doctor and let them know of your specific problem this time, so the appropriate things can be checked.

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post #27 of 35 Old 11-19-2013, 12:57 PM Thread Starter
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@beau159 Yeah, I carefully watched the heart rate monitor on the elyptical last night and I don't think it's accurate. Your workout routine sounds doable - I'll have to get a real heart rate monitor and try it out.

@anabel I know what you mean about protein - I do eat a lot of it throughout the day - just not in the morning. Time for some bacon and eggs for breakfast!
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post #28 of 35 Old 11-19-2013, 01:19 PM
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I admit I didn't go through all of the responses so if I duplicate I apologize :). I am a breath holder form way back..as a junior rider my dad had a cardboard sign with the word BREATHE on it and I always hear it in my lessons even now. That part is a matter of practice and thinking about making yourself breathe...believe it or not, singing to the gait has helped me with that.

The other issue is what you are consuming prior to the lesson. Carbs are good for immediate energy but they aren't meant to be long term..think of a sprint vice a steady run. Form what you listed you aren't taking in quite enough prior to the lesson..you need to add proteins. A protein bar or protein drink can help. That gives you the longer term effect and keeps your blood sugar levels more leveled out. Carbs cause sort of a roller coaster look, high up and low down..proteins are more horizontal in the effect.

Trotting and cantering 25 mins out of 30 in a correct working trot/canter seems a bit much for both rider and horse in your particular setting (ignoring endurance horses and riders here). In clinics the most any clinician has ever pushed me is about 18 mins before a break (by video time)

As a secondary thought here; when my horse isn't moving properly forward, I get out of breath very quickly at the trot due to working too hard to post. When he actually moves properly, I can post seemingly forever with barely a rise in breathing rate. I've learned relatively quickly to get that proper forward movement..:)

Also, in cold weather your lungs dry out due to the cold air...this is one of the reasons in extremely cold weather our barn cancels lessons as the horses have the same breathing issues the riders do..the cold air isn't good for them either.

As I glanced back through the responses I am editing here...I have the same issue with low BP and I am also occasionally anemic due to low hemoglobin..lack of iron. I am off and on iron tablets to help but when I am approaching a time I am getting low again, I feel it. I am always tired,have absolutely no energy and tend to get more headaches. This is my cue to get the prescription started again. I do take a daily vitamin which has helped to mitigate the worse of the symptoms but every now and again I need the full iron push. The issue is actually pretty frustrating as I routinely eat all of the green leafy veggies, including Spinach which I love, yet my iron level still fluctuates and it isn't related to any certain time..just a genetic inheritance for the entire female line on both sides of the family.

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post #29 of 35 Old 11-19-2013, 01:25 PM
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I'm in the boat with tempest....it sounds like you're body may not be getting enough fuel. The body's cells run on simple carbohydrates and if you don't get enough of them in your diet then your body is going to begin taking them from somewhere else......as in from taking apart muscle and fat tissue. And if it get's to that stage things can get......loopy. If you've ever water fasted then you will know the feelings.

Getting stitches......could be something as simple as not getting enough water. It's said that when a child is born it is up to 90% water, and at death the content of water has been measured to be as low as 50%. Chronic dehydration is pretty rampant, and simply changing that brings tremendous benefit to many people. I find it a good practice to wake up and drink up to a quart of water first thing in the morning. And I try to drink a large quantity of water 20 minutes or so before a meal. If you find it difficult to drink a large amount of water it could be a sign of dehydration.

To talk about diet.....there's so much info and mis-info out there it's hard to know where to start. But I've seen and read of miraculous things happening when people adopt a raw food diet, especially when it's very high in fruit. I've found it to be the cleanest and most energizing way to eat, and the health benefits are astounding. Though, the simple thought of eating some fully loaded burritos with hot sauce makes me drool.

And the breathing.....first off lemme comment on food again. Dairy is a big culprit to many with asthma and allergies, it clogs up the pathways with mucus. There are other culprits, but this one is by far the largest IMO/IME. Breathing....there's lots of people talking and writing about the benefits and the techniques to do deep breathing. This could be of some benefit to you to research.
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post #30 of 35 Old 11-19-2013, 01:39 PM
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Just another thought- have you noticed any palpitations or arrhythmia? I faint occasionally from bradycardia (slow heart beat) and I also usually have blood pressure that's on the low side of normal.
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