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  • Is cattle roping a good sport
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    11-14-2010, 10:38 PM
  #21
Banned
^ Don't they use kick ropes as well?
     
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    11-14-2010, 10:47 PM
  #22
Trained
It's training to some extent, but a good bucking bronc is worth his weight in stud fees. Bucking is bred for and it is something that you select for out of your stock.
     
    11-14-2010, 11:17 PM
  #23
Showing
^^No kidding. A guy sent a 4 year old gelding to my Dad to be trained as a riding horse. They owned the mare and bred to a bucking stud just so that they could get a gray horse :roll:. This horse had been handled out the wazoo but never been saddled and I have never seen a horse buck like that..........ever. He wouldn't stop either. He'd buck until he couldn't breathe, then walk or trot along until he got his breath back and buck again until he couldn't breathe. Sad too because he was a dang good looking horse with excellent confo and from what I understand, really smooth gaits when he wasn't trying to slam your ass in the ground .
     
    11-15-2010, 01:32 PM
  #24
Weanling
Tie down roping can get ugly real quick if the horse isn't trained properly. I've seen green horses drag a calf around the arena by the neck.

I don't like steer wrestling or tie down roping just because the animals can be roughly handled if they aren't "cooperating" (steer not dropping to the ground, calf not sitting still, horses running off), but I love team roping.

Here's a photo I took at the rodeo on 11/13 of a horse that kept walking backward and dragging the calf:



Needless to say the cowboy was irritated because it messed up his time.

Also I'm not saying tie down roping is bad or good. It's a sport. Meant for competition. Just like in the "real world" we'd never run a horse around a barrel as fast as we could.
     
    11-15-2010, 02:35 PM
  #25
Trained
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Originally Posted by Snookeys    
Tie down roping can get ugly real quick if the horse isn't trained properly. I've seen green horses drag a calf around the arena by the neck.

I don't like steer wrestling or tie down roping just because the animals can be roughly handled if they aren't "cooperating" (steer not dropping to the ground, calf not sitting still, horses running off), but I love team roping.

Here's a photo I took at the rodeo on 11/13 of a horse that kept walking backward and dragging the calf:



Needless to say the cowboy was irritated because it messed up his time.

Also I'm not saying tie down roping is bad or good. It's a sport. Meant for competition. Just like in the "real world" we'd never run a horse around a barrel as fast as we could.
If you look at the picture of the calf horse you will see that there is a rope around the horses neck about half way up. The rope that is used to catch the calf is ran through this rope and then tied to the saddle horn. The purpose of this rope is to prevent the horse from turning around and running off with the calf. Sometimes the horses overwork and drag the calf a little but most of the time from when the calf leaves the chute until it's back with it's buddies is less than 2 minutes.

As far as the speed factor increasing the discomfort of the animal let me describe what typically happens when I doctor a sick calf on the ranch. First I try to sneak up on the calf and rope him while he's standing still but if I can't I have to chase him across whatever terrain I find him in (it is rarely soft and flat). Then I rope him around the neck. If he's little then I can walk down my rope and throw him down but if he's pretty big then I have to either wait for him to choke down and tip over or I have to tie him to a tree and catch his back legs and stretch him out. Hopefully the mother stands back and stays out of the way but sometimes she runs across my ropes and jerks on the calf in her fervor to protect her baby. Eventually I get the calf down and tied somehow and then draw up the medicine and give the calf a shot. I turn it loose and it trots away to recover and find mamma. Total time elapsed 10-20 minutes. Which is harder on the calf? If doctoring calves like I just described was hard enough on them to hurt them when thier sick I wouldn't do it this way. Those calves pay my wages and even if they didn't I wouldn't do something to make a sick animal sicker.

If you were to rope a calf every weekend all summer long then it may end up damaged from the accrued shock and jerking but the calves get too hard to rope if they are roped very often and they either don't run straight or they run too slow causing the cowboy to break the barrier. Consequently, the calves are ran a few times and then traded off to become a hamburger some day.
     
    11-15-2010, 02:58 PM
  #26
Green Broke
Really? Of all rodeo sports, I find barrel racing in general the most abusive by far. A lot of men competing in rodeos grew up on ranches - they're not roping calves when they're not busy being an accountant, they're roping calves to supplement the meager income they earn from roping and doctoring livestock at home. This isn't always true, but in general, most cowboy's have a pretty respectful attitude towards the livestock and their horses.

Barrel racing on the other hand, you will find some of the meanest, vicious, cattiest, no nothing bimbos you'll ever have the displeasure of meeting. I'm not saying ALL, I'm saying it's unreal to me how much of a lunatic a woman wanting to win can become. They have absolutely ZERO respect for their animals and think absolutely nothing of outfitting them with the most vicious bits and tiedowns money can buy, all the while yanking on their heads and gouging them with spurs. I sure as hell have never seen a roping horse, cutting horse, penning horse or for gosh sakes even a BRONCO act as nutjob crazy as half those barrel horses from years of being beat and yanked around by a manicured princess having NO regard for anything but winning that next buckle.

I am a woman. I love barrel racing. I have done barrel racing. And of all the rodeos I've been to, time and time again, I do not witness ANY stock as mistreated and overlooked as the average barrel horse. Obviously, it's not everyone. But when it's completely acceptable for 50% and up of your competitors to act this way and treat their animals this way, why on EARTH are we still going after bronc riders and calf ropers?!
     
    11-15-2010, 03:01 PM
  #27
Trained
I agree that barrel racing is far worse than any other event for the animal involved. I use that time during the rodeo to head for the bathroom and conscession stand.
     
    11-15-2010, 04:48 PM
  #28
Trained
Very true MM,

Barrel Racing is my favorite to compete at (My roping skills would never hack it), but I see far more blatant abuse in barrels than in any of the other events and much more of the abuse is looked over.
I like to think that I don't fit into the bimbo with spurs who flaps all over the saddle for 16 seconds, but I've certainly seen my fair share of them. Same with horses flipping over in the alley, or losing their footing around a barrel and coming down.

Good point.
     
    11-15-2010, 04:57 PM
  #29
Started
I agree with all of the above about barrel racing.

I do it, but I do it on my cutting and reining horses, so there's no need to jerk and kick them around. :)
     
    11-15-2010, 10:11 PM
  #30
Green Broke
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Originally Posted by Tennessee    
I agree with all of the above about barrel racing.

I do it, but I do it on my cutting and reining horses, so there's no need to jerk and kick them around. :)
It's unreal to me that people are so slow in figuring out a good barrel horse is a great reining horse. These people just run these animals non-stop until their neurotic as heck, and then lose anyway when the woman who's actually TRAINED her horse comes in and quietly steals the limelight! I'm seeing more and more of these quiet, well trained horses coming in and stealing the clock around barrels, so I REALLY hope they're starting to pay attention to you folks who do it right!
     

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