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    12-06-2011, 08:08 PM
  #41
Green Broke
OK so you want to talk about sore bodies and volunteering to participate… lets take it one step further….. Is your horse a volunteer to the work you put him through? I am sure there has been times after a workout, training session, or show he was sore. Most likely, because you used the example of taking him to the vet lame. I realize horses can step on nails or in a hole and come up lame but most of the time a lameness issue is due to the work we put them through. So with that said maybe you should turn your horse out and see if he volunteers…


Then about calves getting jerked. I think our definitions of “jerked” are different. Yes they hit the ground , but if the roper doesn’t pitch his slack then they get jerked a whole hell of a lot harder. That is when they get disqualified and fined. That goes for most rodeo associations.

As for you’re the difference between "injured" and "harmed", I am just not seeing the difference, so call me stupid on that one..
     
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    12-06-2011, 08:12 PM
  #42
Green Broke
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Originally Posted by natisha    
I wonder how many advocates for horse tripping would volunteer up their horses for the event?
Actually all of my horses have been roped....and I might add-without injury or harm...
     
    12-06-2011, 08:38 PM
  #43
Yearling
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Originally Posted by COWCHICK77    
Actually all of my horses have been roped....and I might add-without injury or harm...
Just to clarify, as in you roped their front legs together while they were galloping and pulled? There is a huge difference between taking out the legs from underneath a galloping horse and roping it around the neck.
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    12-06-2011, 08:48 PM
  #44
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Originally Posted by Horsesdontlie    
Just to clarify, as in you roped their front legs together while they were galloping and pulled? There is a huge difference between taking out the legs from underneath a galloping horse and roping it around the neck.
Both ways. More often around the neck of course, because that is how we catch our ranch horses. However this does not translate to choking them. They learn to give to the pressure of a rope just like they learn to give to halter.
     
    12-06-2011, 09:16 PM
  #45
Yearling
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Originally Posted by COWCHICK77    
Both ways. More often around the neck of course, because that is how we catch our ranch horses. However this does not translate to choking them. They learn to give to the pressure of a rope just like they learn to give to halter.
Hmm. I have roped my horses from time to time for practice. I can also lead/lunge my horses with a lasso around the neck and not be chocking them. I think the issue some people have with horse tripping, is that they force an untrained horse to run around the ring, and the goal of the event is to flip the horse.

I hate sharkonline, so mute the video, but they do have the best footage of horse tripping. Not for the weak hearted.


Sending any animal (especially ones with long necks) head first down, at any speed IMHO is asking for broken necks. It reminds me of the trip wires they used to have in movies.
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    12-06-2011, 09:23 PM
  #46
Green Broke
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Originally Posted by COWCHICK77    
OK so you want to talk about sore bodies and volunteering to participate… lets take it one step further….. Is your horse a volunteer to the work you put him through? I am sure there has been times after a workout, training session, or show he was sore. Most likely, because you used the example of taking him to the vet lame. I realize horses can step on nails or in a hole and come up lame but most of the time a lameness issue is due to the work we put them through. So with that said maybe you should turn your horse out and see if he volunteers…


Then about calves getting jerked. I think our definitions of “jerked” are different. Yes they hit the ground , but if the roper doesn’t pitch his slack then they get jerked a whole hell of a lot harder. That is when they get disqualified and fined. That goes for most rodeo associations.

As for you’re the difference between "injured" and "harmed", I am just not seeing the difference, so call me stupid on that one..
I'm not sure if this was directed at me or not but no matter, I'll try to answer what pertained to my statements. I questioned if someone would volunteer their horse for this use (tripping), not if the horse volunteered.
No my horse doesn't volunteer for work but she doesn't object either. If I worked her in an area filled with nails or used her for horse tripping I'm quite sure she would object to even being caught.
And no, I've never had a horse become sore after a workout. Maybe I've been lucky.

As a side bar: A running W properly used is used on a horse that is standing still. It's mainly used to instill trust in a horse towards humans, to show them that no harm will come to them. What does a horse used in tripping learn?
     
    12-06-2011, 09:30 PM
  #47
Green Broke
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Originally Posted by Horsesdontlie    
Hmm. I have roped my horses from time to time for practice. I can also lead/lunge my horses with a lasso around the neck and not be chocking them. I think the issue some people have with horse tripping, is that they force an untrained horse to run around the ring, and the goal of the event is to flip the horse.

I hate sharkonline, so mute the video, but they do have the best footage of horse tripping. Not for the weak hearted.

Mexican Rodeo Horse Tripping - YouTube

Sending any animal (especially ones with long necks) head first down, at any speed IMHO is asking for broken necks. It reminds me of the trip wires they used to have in movies.
Yes, the Shark commentary is overboard but so is the pro-tripping commentary where they say how much the horse likes it.
     
    12-06-2011, 09:31 PM
  #48
Foal
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Originally Posted by evaluna    
charros were the first trail riders way before the american cowboy was ever thought of .
I would say both are a little more than just trail riders, and both are just regional variances of the original spanish vaqueros. IMO a charro is akin to our rodeo cowboys, all for show and not really practical in real life ranch work.
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    12-06-2011, 09:34 PM
  #49
Green Broke
That is the video that Natisha posted earlier. I have said before- that I have grown up around this and other people haven't, let alone been to a hand full of rodeos. So I do think it is a matter of perspective. No matter what amount of statistics or argument I give is going to change minds and I don't expect to-it goes both ways, they aren't going to change my mind. I have tendency to play the devils advocate and I like a good debate. I am not taking this to heart one bit. Horse people are very opinionated. They will tell you exactly how they feel about something and I can appreciate that. Especially since everyone is so worried about being PC anymore.
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    12-06-2011, 09:35 PM
  #50
Green Broke
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Originally Posted by natisha    
Yes, the Shark commentary is overboard but so is the pro-tripping commentary where they say how much the horse likes it.


Ummm... where does it say that horses like it? Now you are making crap up..
     

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