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    12-06-2011, 09:43 PM
  #51
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Originally Posted by natisha    
I'm not sure if this was directed at me or not but no matter, I'll try to answer what pertained to my statements. I questioned if someone would volunteer their horse for this use (tripping), not if the horse volunteered.
No my horse doesn't volunteer for work but she doesn't object either. If I worked her in an area filled with nails or used her for horse tripping I'm quite sure she would object to even being caught.
And no, I've never had a horse become sore after a workout. Maybe I've been lucky.

As a side bar: A running W properly used is used on a horse that is standing still. It's mainly used to instill trust in a horse towards humans, to show them that no harm will come to them. What does a horse used in tripping learn?
Actually it wasn't directed to you. Some peole do have a hard time catching their horses....look at how mant threads are on here about it.


Yes a running W is used at a stand still or a walk. But the orgin of the statement pertained to the SHARK video commentary about the horse licking his lips after being tripped.( in the video the commentator claimed it was due to a mouth injury) If you take a horses legs away, he thinks instead of reacting. I was using the running W as an example.
     
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    12-06-2011, 09:49 PM
  #52
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Originally Posted by Mike Zimmerman    
I would say both are a little more than just trail riders, and both are just regional variances of the original spanish vaqueros. IMO a charro is akin to our rodeo cowboys, all for show and not really practical in real life ranch work.
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She means the original trail riders, cowboys who trailed cattle for days and weeks to market or grazing when there was free grazing.
     
    12-06-2011, 09:51 PM
  #53
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Originally Posted by COWCHICK77    
Ummm... where does it say that horses like it? Now you are making crap up..
Listen at about 2:20.
I don't need to "make crap up"- ever.

     
    12-06-2011, 09:56 PM
  #54
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Originally Posted by COWCHICK77    
Actually it wasn't directed to you. Some peole do have a hard time catching their horses....look at how mant threads are on here about it.


Yes a running W is used at a stand still or a walk. But the orgin of the statement pertained to the SHARK video commentary about the horse licking his lips after being tripped.( in the video the commentator claimed it was due to a mouth injury) If you take a horses legs away, he thinks instead of reacting. I was using the running W as an example.
I think the mouth licking comes from getting dirt in the mouth.

Shark would do better if they didn't make any comments at all-the videos are enough.
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    12-06-2011, 09:57 PM
  #55
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Originally Posted by COWCHICK77    
OK so you want to talk about sore bodies and volunteering to participate… lets take it one step further….. Is your horse a volunteer to the work you put him through? I am sure there has been times after a workout, training session, or show he was sore. Most likely, because you used the example of taking him to the vet lame. I realize horses can step on nails or in a hole and come up lame but most of the time a lameness issue is due to the work we put them through.
This is where it gets into a really subjective gray area, and we all have different places where we draw the line. I can tell you where I put my foot down, but I can't really explain it other than, well, it's what makes sense and sits right morally with me.

The events that tend to really use a horse up quick--horse racing, as you mentioned, or some of the futurities (cutting/reining/barrels) that put no value on longterm soundness, big lick TWH, halter, etc.--can't justify those. Ones that tend to have a more mild effect, like accelerated but manageable arthritis or something, well, I'm actually moving further and further away from that line of thinking. Just getting soft, I guess. Or burnt out and discouraged.

Have my horses gone lame? Yes, guilty as charged. But not from anything I directly did to them--I doubt they were ever more than passingly sore from even the roughest practice session. More like sport-facilitated bad luck. And I've spent probably a combined $10,000 on vet care for two of my hapless cripples, not even necessarily trying to run them again, but just to get them more comfortable....to no avail. Which is off topic in a sense, but also not. Point is, I'm caring them, trying to minimize the bad stuff that comes their way, and aiming to be as responsible as I can, which brings me to:

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So with that said maybe you should turn your horse out and see if he volunteers…
They don't necessarily love working, but I don't think they much mind it, either. Yes, this is a comparison between animals and humans, which is inherently flawed, but I tend to look at it that they have to work for a living the same way I do. They get housing, food, health insurance, retirement benefits, and protection with self-implemented labor laws...and in return, yes, they have to work.

I do know that ol' cripply gray loved barrel racing so much she'd run her heart out for it. I think a horse like that, that truly enjoys its job, is pretty rare. Doesn't mean she much likes me, or loves being ridden in general, but she did love barrels. And she still loves the thrill of just plain running so much that she'll gallop and buck and whirl around three-legged in the pasture.

I also know my horses trust me and aren't afraid of me--they'll come running for treats--so I think that says something.

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Then about calves getting jerked. I think our definitions of “jerked” are different. Yes they hit the ground , but if the roper doesn’t pitch his slack then they get jerked a whole hell of a lot harder. That is when they get disqualified and fined. That goes for most rodeo associations.
I guess I'll take your word for it, but I'd still say that anything you've got something running fast, then pull it from a run to a dead halt, by the neck, and it ends up lying on the ground in a split-second motion, that contitutes a pretty rough "jerk." Now cattle and people are built differently, and I recognize that, but doing the same thing to a human would almost certainly break their neck and kill them.

And again, I've never seen anybody get DQ'd or fined, so either those rules aren't on the books or they just aren't enforcing them.

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As for you’re the difference between "injured" and "harmed", I am just not seeing the difference, so call me stupid on that one..
A broken leg is a measurable injury. For the purpose of the study, I would imagine that minor to moderate cuts, bruises of all severities, strained muscles, and any assortment of bumps and scrapes that hurt like hell but aren't lasting....aren't injuries. And keep in mind that many things that cause pain and discomfort will not be readily apparent while the adrenaline is still coursing, and may not show up for a day or two. Further keep in mind that fear and stress can be as bad as or worse than physical injury. I've seen cattle drop dead from chronic stress.
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    12-06-2011, 10:03 PM
  #56
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I must be mistaken about running W's, then. The person who explained them to me told me she had used them to "fix" a runaway horse by letting him tack off and then throwing him to the ground.

Which reminds me of tripwires. Many (dozens, I believe?) of the horses in this film had to be destroyed due to broken limbs caused by tripwires used for the filming. This movie, actually, is what inspired a lot of the ASPCA film animal cruelty laws.


Honestly, not that different from horse-tripping in Mexican rodeos, when you get down to it.
     
    12-06-2011, 10:05 PM
  #57
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Originally Posted by COWCHICK77    
That is the video that Natisha posted earlier. I have said before- that I have grown up around this and other people haven't, let alone been to a hand full of rodeos. So I do think it is a matter of perspective. No matter what amount of statistics or argument I give is going to change minds and I don't expect to-it goes both ways, they aren't going to change my mind. I have tendency to play the devils advocate and I like a good debate. I am not taking this to heart one bit. Horse people are very opinionated. They will tell you exactly how they feel about something and I can appreciate that. Especially since everyone is so worried about being PC anymore.
I skipped over most of the videos, sorry for double posting. I've seen the horses used for these events where I was from. The horses the charro's ride are beautiful and well taken care of while the other horses are not, kept in a back lot, skinny and stressed. I rarely side with agencies like shark or peta. Just a whole bunch of uneducated, bleeding hearts, crying that the world isn't fair in my opinion. Yet from what I have seen from the Charreadas in Pico Rivera, I don't like their sport with animals that they are not riding. Though on the other hand, I can agree they have amazing horses, amazing roping and riding talent.

I never mind having debates as I always try to see other people's opinions, its why I ask questions. But now that I understand your point, I will be out of the conversation for the most part.
     
    12-06-2011, 10:18 PM
  #58
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Originally Posted by COWCHICK77    
That is the video that Natisha posted earlier. I have said before- that I have grown up around this and other people haven't, let alone been to a hand full of rodeos. So I do think it is a matter of perspective. No matter what amount of statistics or argument I give is going to change minds and I don't expect to-it goes both ways, they aren't going to change my mind. I have tendency to play the devils advocate and I like a good debate. I am not taking this to heart one bit. Horse people are very opinionated. They will tell you exactly how they feel about something and I can appreciate that. Especially since everyone is so worried about being PC anymore.
Most good debating does not involved calling someone a liar.
     
    12-06-2011, 10:25 PM
  #59
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Originally Posted by natisha    
Listen at about 2:20.
I don't need to "make crap up"- ever.

HORSE TRIPPING IS SAFE OR SAVE CHARRERIA - YouTube

I apologize, I thought you were referring to something I had said. I think you could probably put that video in the same category as your SHARK video... biased.
     
    12-06-2011, 10:53 PM
  #60
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Originally Posted by COWCHICK77    
I apologize, I thought you were referring to something I had said. I think you could probably put that video in the same category as your SHARK video... biased.
Appology accepted & appreciated.
Yes, both sides seem to ham it up too much.
     

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