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  • Big horn saddles gullet medium plus measurement
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    10-20-2013, 05:59 PM
2 for 2 failed......

We got (2) Circle Y Trail Gaiters - Wide Trees for our KMSH and RMSH's. The KMSH currently rides in a Big Horn 807 saddle (Medium Plus tree) and it is too tight, the RMSH currently rides in a Circle Y Park and Trail extra wide and it moves and rolls.

RMSH: The Trail Gaiter is too narrow, can't slide finders under the skirt easily enough.

KMSH: The 17" Trail Gaiter is too wide (or gullet is too low for his withers). Has good clearance at the shoulders but, the gullet will touch the pad when I am mounted. An interesting side note, the 16" Trail Gaiter we got for the RMSH fits better (can slide finders between the gullet and the pad when I am mounted.) I assume this is normal manufacturing variation but, our Trainer would have been ok with using the 17" if it fit like the 16" did and I used a cut-out pad.

So, the search continues. I need a wide tree with a higher gullet. I really dislike the saddle fitting drama.......(but, guess I like telling everyone else about mine..lol). I figure with the combined experience here we could figure out anyone's saddle fit issues.
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    10-20-2013, 06:37 PM

Hi Mike,

There should be no manufacturing variance between the two Saddles, Trees are made in a Jig and should fit the same, the only difference should be the length of the bars between the two, so that is perplexing.

Have you tested the Bighorn on your RMSH, is it too narrow also?

Saddles based on an A-Fork Tree or a Wade Tree have about 1" more wither clearance than Trail based Trees, so that may be something to look at.

One problem may also be the Shoulder size between the two Horse, if the RMSH has larger shoulders the problem could be there is not enough Flair in the leading edge of the bar on the Circle Y Wide, I have heard of that problem many times with that brand.

Pics of the shoulder area would be a help, stand at the Haunches of your Horses and take a nice closeup of the wither/shoulder area and post them

    10-20-2013, 06:58 PM
Here are a couple pics of the RMSH with the Big Horn 807:

The templates on HorseSaddleShop indicate the Medium tree has the right angle but, I can't even get the 807 close enough to his shoulders without interfering (why in the picture the saddle is too far back). Perhaps a gaited medium tree?
    10-20-2013, 08:57 PM

That looks like a decent fit except the bars have no flair for the shoulders.

The Horse Saddle Shop Templates are based on Steele Brand and Ralide Trees, Medium being a Semi-QH and Wide being a Full-QH Bar.

If you like Bighorn, they have the Infinity Trail in the Medium Wide like the 807, but it has Gaited Bars which will allow the Shoulder Room. The Bighorn uses a Reg. QH Bar, which is wider than a Semi and Narrower than a full.

Hard to tell as well when a pad is under the Saddle, if you think it might need the Medium, Bighorn also makes the 1684 with a Horn and 1685 without a Horn in the Medium and Wide Gaited Trees.

If you had a pic without the Pad, I could tell more

    10-20-2013, 09:08 PM
Here is the picture of the wither tracing:

The 807 is a medium plus which I was told is a QH bar. The angle seems right just no room (flare) for the shoulders. How much flare would there be with the Big Horn Gaited tree (if you know)? With the 807 the front leather comes out straight and the shoulders crash into the front edge (which is why the saddle is moved back). I also believe the 807 uses a Steele Flex Tree.

I will try to get a picture without the pad tomorrow night. I would certainly appreciate the input. Any particular angle/view?
    10-20-2013, 09:18 PM

If you measure a medium tree at the top it measure 6.5", the Gaited medium Trees will measure about 7" on the leading Edge and then about 1.5" towards the back the straighten out to the 6.5" measurement.

Many times people measure a gaited tree and say it is wider than it really is becasue that flair is misleading

Judging from the template, I think the 1684 or 1685 would work fine, but will wait for the next set of pics to be sure

    10-20-2013, 09:18 PM
Mike, that stinks... I think we were 'chatting' about HighHorse saddles in another thread.

Is there any way you can get a saddle fitter (that specializes in gaited horses) out to your place? I know that that can be costly, but it can save you more aggravation in the long run. It worked for me as she took into account not only our horse's needs, but mine as I have a problem with lifting things over a certain weight above a certain height.

    10-20-2013, 10:19 PM
Kevin, I will try to get the pics tomorrow. I am not sure how much of a difference 1/4" per side will will make? It sure seems that his shoulders protrude more than 1/4". I do not have a measurement but, just feels like a small amount.

Donna, Yes, we (including Kevin) discussed a High Horse El Dorado. Since I thought I needed a Wide tree (because of the 807) I chose not to go with the El Dorado. I tried a Circle Y Trail Gaiter and it appeared to fit (just placed it on his back). In hindsight I should have looked much closer.
    10-20-2013, 10:37 PM
Originally Posted by MikeTucson    
I should have looked much closer.
Mike, don't beat yourself up!

In 6 years of owning Chuck, I've been through four different saddles.

He outgrew our first saddle and then muscled up so that the second saddle no longer worked for him.

The 3rd saddle was a Big Horn and it fit fine. But I needed to be able to adjust his rigging and it didn't allow for that.

Now, we're in a High Horse.

Luckily, I've been able to sell each saddle. Thank goodness!

    10-20-2013, 10:50 PM
Originally Posted by MikeTucson    
Kevin, I will try to get the pics tomorrow. I am not sure how much of a difference 1/4" per side will will make? It sure seems that his shoulders protrude more than 1/4". I do not have a measurement but, just feels like a small amount.
Mike it will make a good bit of difference, it keeps the edge of the skirts from digging in....


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