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        12-24-2013, 02:09 PM
      #31
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    Candy Canes, I'm avoiding Cair for now, Mitch is a bit of an interesting horse and even if he has a fitted saddle on, if he doesn't like something about it he will literally stand there and no power on this earth can make him move forwards I had a dressage instructor/qualified saddle fitter standing behind Mitch, cracking a lunge whip with me onboard my horse holding on to mane for dear life because I expected to be launched forwards.. Nope, not a single move was made lol

    Whereas DJ will go in anything, so I don't know whether she would prefer one or the other, and I guess the only way is to try

    I spoke to the lady in the saddlery yesterday and she said a lot of horses don't like the cair system, so for now I will stick with flock, provided of course it goes well on at least Mitch who is my main horse.

    One day, I will own a Bates Elevation Deep seat.... One day in my very distant dreams but for now my status cc is fine, and I need a dressage saddle :)
         
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        12-24-2013, 02:20 PM
      #32
    Yearling
    Interesting thoughts on Cair. My own view is some horses don't get on with it because the tree moves more easily on the panel than is usually the case with a flocked saddle. I'm not sure if it's the consequent extra pressure which can be transferred to each tree point (similar to what happens when you mount from the ground - a lot of horses move off as they don't like the extra pressure from the nearside point when it digs in), or the fact they don't like the continual shifting of the rider's balance. The same thing sometimes happens with Flair, the real (and adjustable) air flocking system.
         
        12-24-2013, 03:13 PM
      #33
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    That's an interesting point unclearthur, I didn't think of it like that.

    I've got so much to learn about saddles, blimey.. I hadn't even heard of Flair until you mentioned it just then. Is it new or am I just hiding in some sort of a dark cupboard?
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        12-24-2013, 03:31 PM
      #34
    Yearling
    Flair's been around at least 20 years or so. You might have come across WOW saddles which are the manufacturer's (First Thought Equine) own brand, but it began as a replacement system for flock in other makes.

    I've only tried it out once on one of our own horses and found it didn't make much difference, but that was a slightly unfair comparison - his usual (flocked) saddle had a wider panel than the trial which probably negated the pressure reduction you can get with air. I'm in the process of rebuilding a Hawk Event which I'll be fitting with Flair to try on my own horse. He has serious issues with any saddle movement due to an incident in his past so it'll be interesting to see how he finds air flocking.
         
        12-24-2013, 04:50 PM
      #35
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    Oh wow, I am behind the times haha. Flairs been around since before I was even born!

    That will be interesting to see how he goes with the new saddle once you've finished it then. My guy tends to get knot-type lumps right behind his elbow right where the girth sits, I can't figure out why, they are even on both sides though and don't seem to cause him any discomfort, or get worse/better with anything.
    When I trialed him 3 years ago he had a close contact on with extra foam type padding between the saddle and the saddle blanket, but I prefer to use plain saddle pads and not too much padding, because why should I put more padding if the saddle fits as is? Or maybe he would go better if I made the gullet one size wider and padded him up a bit, I'd have to do some experimenting. He's a bit of a challenging horse with saddles, but at least I know right from the start what he likes and what he doesn't.
         
        12-24-2013, 05:11 PM
      #36
    Yearling
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by HollyBubbles    
    When I trialed him 3 years ago he had a close contact on with extra foam type padding between the saddle and the saddle blanket, but I prefer to use plain saddle pads and not too much padding, because why should I put more padding if the saddle fits as is? Or maybe he would go better if I made the gullet one size wider and padded him up a bit, I'd have to do some experimenting. He's a bit of a challenging horse with saddles, but at least I know right from the start what he likes and what he doesn't.
    You could always make a wither template to check against his existing saddle. That should give you a good idea of whether you need a wider gullet. Or take the gullet out if it's changeable and try that over his withers.

    A close contact with extra foam padding sounds suspiciously like 'doesn't fit very well' to me, and CC saddles are notorious.

    Since horses change shape over time it's definitely worth checking - some horses will put up with discomfort rather than risk upsetting 'mum' (or 'dad', or 'the boss') with bad behaviour :)
         
        12-24-2013, 07:03 PM
      #37
    Green Broke
    The change in gullet can change other things a bit, but generally if your horse fits it alright changing the gullet won't majorly change other things.

    I'm totally with you on liking flock more than Cair. I have a Cair and have had it for 10 years or so usually just sort of "supplementing" other saddles. I've never had problems with it but I've never quite been happy with how it fits. Feeling it I can't believe that it doesn't have pressure points where the panels join. I've also read stuff about heat retention and stuff. I'm not selling my saddle but I wouldn't buy another Cair saddle. I don't think you can go past wool flocked panels.
         
        12-24-2013, 07:45 PM
      #38
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    That's a good idea unclearthur, I know I'm going to borrow my friends wintec gullet gauge to try on him, I've watched videos on how to use it properly, but I'll have a look at making a template also, or one or the other.
    That's exactly what I thought, but he went very nicely in it. But I did have to wonder, why would you put extra padding under a saddle if it supposedly fitted the horse. It was an extremely comfortable saddle, may have been a collegiate or something like that.
    That's one good thing about Mitch, he has no problem with letting me know he doesn't like something, or something hurts.
    Even if he doesn't like the hay he has been given, or the cover that is sitting on the fence, he will pull it down, stomp on it, and poop all over it.. Big waste of hay, and big waste of an effort cleaning a nice rug! But at least it doesn't leave me any hard guess work, or sudden misbehavior from putting up with pain.

    Thanks Saskia, I'll probably try the saddle on tomorrow, we're partway through Christmas day now so I had better not ditch the family to be riding my horse just yet
    I also like knowing that I have a qualified vet/saddler/chiropractor/wonder woman not too far away from me who can reflock saddles and everything if need be, she's not cheap, but she's worth every cent!
         
        12-25-2013, 02:20 PM
      #39
    Yearling
    Good idea ref the gauge. Just be aware that if your horse falls in behind the shoulder I've found it can measure a little tight.
         
        12-26-2013, 02:50 AM
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    Could you please explain what you mean by falls in behind the shoulder? I don't think I've heard that term before
         

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