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    01-12-2014, 10:50 AM
  #21
Green Broke
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Originally Posted by david in md    
I've got a couple of Simcos with full quarter horse bars that are wide. I ride my fairly wide Rocky Mountain in a Circle Y Park and Trail with an arab tree. Didn't know it had an arab tree when I bought it but it fit well because it is shorter. A gaited saddle may be way to go for clearance at the shoulders.
David can you post pictures of the arab tree saddle?
OP-I'm having a similar problem with Willow. She has a short back and doesn't have prominent withers, but she is wide chested. I need around a 27 inch skirt with about a 6 inch gullet.
I've found most FQH are too wide causing them to sit low pinching the withers and Semi's are too narrow.
The only saddle that was a close fit was a Royal King gaited saddle my sister had. From what I've researched an Arab tree should have a wider angle but not as wide as a FQH. I haven't tried one out on her yet though.
     
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    01-12-2014, 03:27 PM
  #22
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Originally Posted by KellDet    
Southern Trails - I just tried a gaited horse saddle and it did not work. I took 2 measurements and posted the pictures of it on my horse in this thread. Are all gaited trail saddles about that size?
There are two basic Sizes of Gaited Trees, medium and wide.

The Tree in that Saddle is a Wide, the contact angle of the Bars looks great, the only problems as you mentioned is there is not enough Flair in the leading edge of the bar for your Horse.

Two problems, Ralide is made by injection a polymer into a form, while this is a cheap way to make a Tree, it works for many Horses. High Horse Saddles are very High Production made saddles and extra care is not used to add to the ability for the tree to be made to fit larger shouldered Horses and a hand made Saddle might be.

All off the shelf production made Saddles are built to fit a majority of Horses as possible. Nothing wrong with that, but when you have a Horse like yours with extra wide shoulders finding an off the shelf Saddle that will work may be hard to find.

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    01-12-2014, 03:32 PM
  #23
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Originally Posted by flytobecat    
David can you post pictures of the arab tree saddle?
OP-I'm having a similar problem with Willow. She has a short back and doesn't have prominent withers, but she is wide chested. I need around a 27 inch skirt with about a 6 inch gullet.
I've found most FQH are too wide causing them to sit low pinching the withers and Semi's are too narrow.
The only saddle that was a close fit was a Royal King gaited saddle my sister had. From what I've researched an Arab tree should have a wider angle but not as wide as a FQH. I haven't tried one out on her yet though.
Semi QH trees (or medium) average 6.5" Gullet and a 86 degree bar angle, Full QH trees (or Wide) average 7" gullet and 94 degree bar angle.

Arab trees average 6.75" gullet and a 90 degree bar angle, similar to a Reg QH tree, the difference is an Arab tree verse a Reg. QH is an Arab tree has some extra flair in the leading edge of the bar and the bars are about 1" shorter to fit the shorter back Arabs, so in your case and Arab tree may fit your Horse

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    01-12-2014, 08:28 PM
  #24
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Originally Posted by Strawberry4Me    
My western saddle is a big horn and fits my standie just fine, as long as I am mindful of her shoulders while I am tacking up.
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Which model Big Horn do you ride in? I have been looking at that brand... apparently their bars have good flare.
     
    01-12-2014, 08:31 PM
  #25
Weanling
I am not sure! I have had it for ages. I will look the next time I am at the barn and let you know!
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    01-17-2014, 06:17 PM
  #26
Foal
I MAY have found a saddle that fits! It's a Crates trail 2171 with a wide tree and 7" gullet. I only say may fit and not definitely because I didn't get a chance to ride in it, I just lunged my mare around and checked it out really closely (the fenders are way too long for my short legs, have to get them cut before I can ride comfortably).

Here are some pictures with the Crates saddle. I do have to shim the area behind her shoulders for lack of muscle.


No shims


No shims


No shims





I took a couple of other angles showing her back and shoulders.





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    01-17-2014, 06:46 PM
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That Saddle looks better, she does have a touch of muscle loss, but some riding should help

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    01-19-2014, 05:12 PM
  #28
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Originally Posted by SouthernTrails    
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That Saddle looks better, she does have a touch of muscle loss, but some riding should help

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SouthernTrails,
I'm sorry to be bugging you again, but you seem very knowledgeable! I've been trotting my horse with this Crates saddle on her (I'm on the ground) and it bounces forward all the way up to her neck! I haven't even tried riding in it yet because I'm afraid I'll end up on her neck. Is this a saddle fit issue? It seemed to fit so well, but I'm ready to give it back at this point.
     
    01-19-2014, 06:15 PM
  #29
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Originally Posted by KellDet    
SouthernTrails,
I'm sorry to be bugging you again, but you seem very knowledgeable! I've been trotting my horse with this Crates saddle on her (I'm on the ground) and it bounces forward all the way up to her neck! I haven't even tried riding in it yet because I'm afraid I'll end up on her neck. Is this a saddle fit issue? It seemed to fit so well, but I'm ready to give it back at this point.
Are you putting the Saddle on your Horses shoulders or behind them?

A crates should have the bar behind the shoulder, you can feel the bar under the fleece and get a good idea where it is for placement.

Only the skirt should be over the shoulder.

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    01-19-2014, 06:31 PM
  #30
Foal
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Originally Posted by SouthernTrails    
Are you putting the Saddle on your Horses shoulders or behind them?

A crates should have the bar behind the shoulder, you can feel the bar under the fleece and get a good idea where it is for placement.

Only the skirt should be over the shoulder.

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I'm putting the saddle behind her shoulders. A couple times I put the saddle even further back than the shoulder to see what would happen - same thing.
     

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