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        07-10-2014, 03:30 PM
      #11
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    The fake corriente is just that a fake and a terrible one.

    The leather thickness, the way the stirrups are made, the way the cantle is made, the way the pommel is made, the tin that they call silver, everything screams "made in kanpur india"

    Those things are 250.00 on ebay and overpriced for what you get..... Get your money back and if need be, sue the person who says it is a corriente if they will not refund your money, the seller as a store will need proof of purchase in a court of law and he will not win. In fact send the pics to coriente, they might want to join in on the lawsuit if this person is saying he is selling corrientes when he clearly is not.

    Don't feel bad, you should be able to trust a Store, it is a shame someone would be so deceitful, hopefully it was an honest mistake (their 1st week on the job) and they will cheerfully refund your money.

    That being said, your other saddle while not 100% perfect, does fit your Horse better than that fake brand.


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        07-10-2014, 04:08 PM
      #12
    Green Broke
    Yes the older saddle is the one I thought we critique in the beginning, I'm confused now. The newer is obviously narrower and longer. The one with rawhide is not bridging in back but don't hank you originally showed that view. Why are you not using old saddle?
         
        07-10-2014, 04:39 PM
      #13
    Green Broke
    Wow, I'd really give your local person (who sold you this saddle) a piece of my mind. That is a fake through-and-through and they should know better if they are in the business of selling saddles.

    Both saddles are too narrow for your horse, with the "corriente" being worse".

    With that said, you can't simply fit saddles based on gullet width only. Every tree is going to be SHAPED differently with different flare. You might have two saddles that are the exact same size when you measure them through the gullet, but they might fit completely different.

    You've got a pretty beef-looking horse. I'd definitely find something with full QH bars or larger. Your Ammerman isn't bad, but I think you could find something that fits him better in the shoulders.
         
        07-10-2014, 05:07 PM
      #14
    Weanling
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by SouthernTrails    
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    The fake corriente is just that a fake and a terrible one.

    The leather thickness, the way the stirrups are made, the way the cantle is made, the way the pommel is made, the tin that they call silver, everything screams "made in kanpur india"

    Those things are 250.00 on ebay and overpriced for what you get..... Get your money back and if need be, sue the person who says it is a corriente if they will not refund your money, the seller as a store will need proof of purchase in a court of law and he will not win. In fact send the pics to coriente, they might want to join in on the lawsuit if this person is saying he is selling corrientes when he clearly is not.

    Don't feel bad, you should be able to trust a Store, it is a shame someone would be so deceitful, hopefully it was an honest mistake (their 1st week on the job) and they will cheerfully refund your money.

    That being said, your other saddle while not 100% perfect, does fit your Horse better than that fake brand.


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    Thank you! I cannot say as to if the seller is or is not familiar with Corrientes and was or wasnt being deceitful. I did trust her to know that the saddle would be best when she pointed it out to me and sold me the saddle since I am still a novice at this and learning and she seemed more knowledgeable- I mean she's selling saddles for a living.

    I do have a 5 day fit guarantee to return the saddle for a full refund and I still have my receipt.

    And because my boss is awesome and there's not much to do on the farm today, I will be heading the hour trip back to the tack shop with that fake saddle in tow. $700 for fake doesnt sit well with me either...
         
        07-10-2014, 05:10 PM
      #15
    Weanling
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    Originally Posted by churumbeque    
    Yes the older saddle is the one I thought we critique in the beginning, I'm confused now. The newer is obviously narrower and longer. The one with rawhide is not bridging in back but don't hank you originally showed that view. Why are you not using old saddle?

    Sorry no, the equitation saddle is the one I purchased recently for Dante. I showed what the Ammerman looked like in comparison with its wider gullet. The Ammerman's bars don't fit him really well and its not wide enough, that's why I havent been riding him in that saddle- it was bought for my other gelding anyway.
         
        07-10-2014, 05:23 PM
      #16
    Weanling
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    Originally Posted by beau159    
    Wow, I'd really give your local person (who sold you this saddle) a piece of my mind. That is a fake through-and-through and they should know better if they are in the business of selling saddles.

    Both saddles are too narrow for your horse, with the "corriente" being worse".

    With that said, you can't simply fit saddles based on gullet width only. Every tree is going to be SHAPED differently with different flare. You might have two saddles that are the exact same size when you measure them through the gullet, but they might fit completely different.

    You've got a pretty beef-looking horse. I'd definitely find something with full QH bars or larger. Your Ammerman isn't bad, but I think you could find something that fits him better in the shoulders.
    Thanks! He is a tank. I havent even tried riding Dante in the Ammerman because I know the bars are not the right shape and it needs to be a tad bit wider. I am going to take the "corriente" back to the shop today and either get my money back or trade it for a higher quality saddle- one with a known maker like a circle y that has a wider gullet- I'm still not good about eyeing the rock of the bars but I can check that when I get home. The store offers a 5 day saddle fit guarantee and I still have the receipt.


    Lesson learned. Always look for a makers mark.
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        07-10-2014, 11:04 PM
      #17
    Weanling
    Hey everyone ok so I did get to trade in the saddle for a a Jim Sands custom roper saddle. Its marked in three spots by jim sands. I've never heard of him before? I like the quality of the saddle, its a huge improvement from the fake.

    As for fit... When I put it on him with no pad it looks narrow at the gullet but I can get my hand under the saddle and didnt feel any pressure points. Again the saddle is a tad long in the skirt even tho it is an inch shorter -28. The bars felt pretty good too. It doesnt pop up at all in the back.

    With the pad the tightness in the gullet seems better. Blanket helps keep the saddle off his hips.

    Cinched up, can still get my hand in there no problem, snug but not "AHHH its crushing me" like the last one felt like. ;)

    I took him out on a trail ride just to test it out and see if we get any dry spots. At first he was being a tad bit barn sour, nothing bad really at all just not eager to leave his buddys. Once away from home a little ways he was perfect. Forward, listening to cues to walk, trot, and canter. I trot him in a figure 8 in a field and he seemed just fine, and cantered him a couple circles both ways with just a tinsy thinking about it buck on our first circle when he discovered we werent just turning around to go run home. He was quick to pick up any gait I asked and went willingly on both leads. His overall attitude seemed more willing and eager vs just doing it because I told him to.

    Another thing I noticed was he did not groan/moan even once on our ride or even when I got home- and I don't really remember a ride where he didnt once moan/groan. And he didnt stumble either... he's usually kinda klutzy... But these could just be flukes so will try not to read too much into these.

    Then I pulled the saddle off and there were NO dry spots. No ruffled hair. Id say that's a good sign right?

    As for the fit for me... I like it... really like it. Its so comfy and I feel way secure in it than did in the other saddle. The rough out helped me stay in the saddle during his huge trot- and im still learning how to seat to it... im used to smoooth or average bumps... not super bouncy ones like his lol. So yeah I like it.

    But what do you all think? Will this saddle be ok- id get a bigger blanket if it does.
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        07-10-2014, 11:08 PM
      #18
    Weanling
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        07-11-2014, 02:54 PM
      #19
    Green Broke
    It's better than the fake, but I'm not sure if would be keeping that saddle if it were my horse. I'd like to see more clearance in the gullet and I'd like to see it a tad bit wider. Still looks like it might be pinching near his shoulders. It's not a horrible fit .... but you still might be able to find something better.

    Is there a seriel number on the saddle? You can always call the maker to find out what the numbers mean (year the saddle was made, and the type of tree ... full or semi).

    Also, how thick is that pad you are using? Especially if you are dealing with saddles that might be a smidge too small, I'd go no thicker than a 1/2" saddle pad. And is your saddle pad contoured with a cut-back? Can't tell with your pictures. Personally, that's the only thing I'll use (contoured with cut-out for withers).
         
        07-11-2014, 09:11 PM
      #20
    Weanling
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by beau159    
    It's better than the fake, but I'm not sure if would be keeping that saddle if it were my horse. I'd like to see more clearance in the gullet and I'd like to see it a tad bit wider. Still looks like it might be pinching near his shoulders. It's not a horrible fit .... but you still might be able to find something better.

    Is there a seriel number on the saddle? You can always call the maker to find out what the numbers mean (year the saddle was made, and the type of tree ... full or semi).

    Also, how thick is that pad you are using? Especially if you are dealing with saddles that might be a smidge too small, I'd go no thicker than a 1/2" saddle pad. And is your saddle pad contoured with a cut-back? Can't tell with your pictures. Personally, that's the only thing I'll use (contoured with cut-out for withers).

    The green pad is a Diamond wool ranch contour pad, it does have a wither release notch but not a full cut out. Its an inch thick but does compress.

    I do agree with you that it does seem narrow. I put it on him again today and I still don't feel like its quite the right fit. However the tack shop owner did let me bring another saddle to try that had a much wider gullet that she thought was possibly going to be too wide on him.

    Its a circle y with a 7 1/2 - 8 inch gullet ^ the jim sands was barely a 7. The circle y is also wider along its flare in the front of the skirting too giving more room for his tank shoulders, and its shorter on his back, 27 inches. My main concern is the wither clearance on it now. I can get two fingers in between the saddle and his withers so its not sitting on them. I know once weight is put in the saddle it will be pushed down some.

    Here are the pictures of the Circle y.
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