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  • I have a dutch warmblood what should i be feeding her
  • Dutch warmbloods temperament

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    10-18-2011, 09:37 AM
  #41
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Originally Posted by ~*~anebel~*~    
We for some reason have a Dutch horse, sired by Samber. He is a sweety :)

Really not a fan of most Dutch horses, I find them too hot and difficult to deal with in comparison with Hanoverian lines. I steer clear of most Dutch lines (Jazz, Krack C), although I don't mind Flemmingh, Samber and other easier lines.
The way I see it is why would I ride something that is so difficult, half my movement are very high scores and half are very low, when I could get the same or higher scores with a less flamboyant horse, and a far nicer test.
There were just as many, if not more Hanoverian horses in dressage at the WEG as Dutch.
Agreed, I helped out with a KWPN mare once, and you could lunge her for an hour, then ride her for an hour, she just constantly wanted to go. As German WB go, Donnerhall lines are my favourite, partial reason as to why I bought Duffy. Another line I adore is Rubenstein, they make such lovely horses for sport, and their temperaments are brilliant and make good change horses for teens growing out of ponies and family horses too.

Living in Germany, and living in horseland, and so close to the Dutch border, KWPN's are generally scoffed at as a, dare I say it, a lesser WB. Not compariable to Oldenburgers, Westphalens, Trakheners etc.
     
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    10-18-2011, 09:45 AM
  #42
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Originally Posted by Oxer    
I agree, SLC. However... I can buy an import for say, 18K. Then when he lands here, I can put him in training for a couple months and then turn around and sell him for 40. We do it all day long at our barn.
People (especially here) want to be able to say their horse was imported. That he wasn't bought from some barn in Nebraska... even if the barn in Nebraska had legit bloodlines and put the buttons on for you!
We have all Dutch imports in the barn at the moment all of which were put on US soil for less than 20k... and all of which are for sale in the very high five figures. It's a pretty wild business.
I have a friend in the UK who imports his horses from Germany, Holland and Belgium, gives them 6weeks, and sells them on for a 40-60% profit, its crazy! Another friend took her horse to the UK, German bred, nice horse but nothing special. When she had to sell him on due to time restrictions, she popped 'GERMAN WARMBLOOD' and mentioned he'd come over from Germany.. think he was advertised for three days, and she got over double what she paid for him. Its nuts!
     
    10-20-2011, 11:24 PM
  #43
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Originally Posted by DuffyDuck    
Agreed, I helped out with a KWPN mare once, and you could lunge her for an hour, then ride her for an hour, she just constantly wanted to go. As German WB go, Donnerhall lines are my favourite, partial reason as to why I bought Duffy. Another line I adore is Rubenstein, they make such lovely horses for sport, and their temperaments are brilliant and make good change horses for teens growing out of ponies and family horses too.

Living in Germany, and living in horseland, and so close to the Dutch border, KWPN's are generally scoffed at as a, dare I say it, a lesser WB. Not compariable to Oldenburgers, Westphalens, Trakheners etc.
DD, I would love to see some photo's of your Donnerhall - like you, I love the D line. I have spent a few months looking for a yearling, and D-lines were my preference, then R (pref by Rotspon directly). I have ended up with a Fabriano grandson, by Fisherman's Friend who stood at Celle for some time before being imported to Australia. He doesn't have enormous, scopey paces like some of the other lines - Jazz springs to mind - but he has an impeccible temperament, 3 very good paces that I can absolutely work with and such a trainable head on his shoulders.
As Anebel said previously, I would rather ride something like him, trainable and very workable paces, than a huge moving, fire breathing dragon like so many of the Dutch lines!!
     
    10-21-2011, 02:49 AM
  #44
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Originally Posted by Kayty    
DD, I would love to see some photo's of your Donnerhall - like you, I love the D line. I have spent a few months looking for a yearling, and D-lines were my preference, then R (pref by Rotspon directly). I have ended up with a Fabriano grandson, by Fisherman's Friend who stood at Celle for some time before being imported to Australia. He doesn't have enormous, scopey paces like some of the other lines - Jazz springs to mind - but he has an impeccible temperament, 3 very good paces that I can absolutely work with and such a trainable head on his shoulders.
As Anebel said previously, I would rather ride something like him, trainable and very workable paces, than a huge moving, fire breathing dragon like so many of the Dutch lines!!

Of course! My old man Do It Again has been sold on now but he's on the same yard. I was doing level 3, I think you call it, at aged 19 with him! But it was starting to show the pressures, and it wasn't fair to expect so much from him. Sold him to a friend, and bought Duffy who is Donnerbube-Donnerhall, with Paradox/Fruhlingsball on her mother's side, so good lines there for possible breeding with!

Celle is about three hours from here, nice place but I'm in the NRW region that is horseland, and they're a lot cheaper in this region. I have a few (not very well taken) pictures of Duffy from when I first got her in June. I have a lesson this weekend, will try and get some more pictures up of her!

So glad to have found someone else who is a fan of this line! Although they can be fairly grumpy, they are stunning movers, trot is fab on them all. Kind temperaments too, I've put a disabled man on Doey, and he just walked round like there was no one there, the fella trotted him, and as soon as he lost his balance, came back to walk or halt.

Duffy, for a 18.1hh 6yo with little training has an awesome temperament! I would quite happily lead a kid on her back if I could hold the kid up there, but she's a wee bit big for that ;)
     
    10-21-2011, 05:30 AM
  #45
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I'm in Australia so like you, we use a different system to the US levels - does make it a little confusing but by the sounds of things US 3rd level is around elementary/medium here in Australia.

Sounds like your Duffy has got some rather nice breeding behind her. I have seen very few D line horses that I don't like. Though there is one stallion here that is beautiful, but some progeny are starting to come up with soundness issues and quite a few of them have a tendency to rear. I nearly bought a yearling by him, but very glad I gave her a miss and bought Billy instead, I've never really looked at any F lines before but I am thrilled with his temperament and his sire is well known for passing on a superb temperament, work ethic and very good paces. You can certainly pick the Fishermans Friend babies!

18.1hh as a 6year old, too big for me! She would certainly want to have a good temperament at that height - I'm only 5'4 so my "Billy" is only going to be around 16.1hh - though I might cry if he goes under 16hh!!!!
     
    10-21-2011, 05:40 AM
  #46
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Our levels go E, A,L,M,S,Grand Prix. Do It Again did M in his hey day, and I did up to L with him.
I was fortunate enough to ride a ladies 21yo Belgium WB and do Piaffe for the first time a couple of weeks ago... it was amazing!

She does have a good temperament! Doey is 17.2hh, and I vowed to get something smaller. She was advertised as 17.1hh, and when we turned up I though oh my lord, her bones are sticking out, she's huge, her hooves look like they're going to turn over on themselves and fur on her hind leg was pretty much gone.

Got her out, she'd been stood in this box for 23 hours a day, no window, pony box, no excercise. Previous owner wanted her for driving but she wouldn't accept the carriage. So I though oh my lord, we're going to have fun now! She had no muscle, no fat, you can see the picture of when I bought her! And she worked, so so hard for me. She came as round as she possibly could, did everything I asked off my leg and seat. I'm 5'6 so slightly luckier height wise ;)

Good luck with Billy though! Fisherman's friend is a super line out here too, not as well heard as the D or R lines, but its starting to spring up more and more when I watch comps!! And those horses can move.
     
    10-21-2011, 05:55 AM
  #47
Trained
You certainly like your big horses!! I love them, love the feel of them to ride but only if they're naturally 'together'. Otherwise its way too much horse for my poor little legs to put together. I'm naturally very strong through my core and do a lot of work to keep it that way, but I struggle on a huge horse that wants to be strung out - no problems on the smaller guys though so look out Billy!

Sounds like your mare went through a pretty rough patch, certainly a testament to the D-line temperaments by the sounds of her.

From what I hear, the Fisherman's Friend progeny are absolute workaholics. Tor (his rider here in Aus) keeps saying that Fishy would work all day every day without a complaint if he asked him to. He takes Tor's toddler daughter for pony rides - pony rides consisting of piaffe! Lucky little girl!
     
    10-22-2011, 12:24 PM
  #48
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Duffy is coming together, however she went through her ugly duckling stage! Her movement though is great, she doesn't feel so big, but her strides are lovely and big, lots of scope.

Well, yesterday I went to the yard, was grooming the Duffster and a girl of about 8/9 with severe disabilites babbled something to me, indicated to duffy, so I held her hand and she stroked Duffy's nose, Duffy dropped her head straight away into the girl's chest. She ducked under the rope and stroked duffy's shoulder, so I gave her a soft brush, Duffy just turned her head and watched her! I was amazed!! She's a bit of a fidget, and she just stood there watching this girl! I was nearly in tears it was lovely!

Workaholics are good! My dad's Mecklenburger is an absolute bum when she decides she has had enough, I really dislike riding her because of it! I really wish I'd had the chance to have ponies! I started riding 6 years ago, with a year off with my broken shoulder! I blame my mother ;)
     
    10-28-2011, 05:52 PM
  #49
Foal
I had a Dutch warmblood colt who when I got him was totally bonkers but on the right feed and with plenty of turn out turned out to be the best mannered young horse I every brought on. He was fantastic.
     
    11-05-2011, 05:58 PM
  #50
Foal
I have a Belgian Warmblood,awesome horse.
We've got a lot of KWPN horses on my ridingschool,rode a couple but I still prefer my BWP,haha.

I LOVE the Contender line and his son Cantos.
I rode a little Cantos mare,she was just 1m55 but she could jump like a rocket.
Great temprament but could get a little hot towards the jump but always jumped no matter what.
Contender is actually a Holsteiner but is KWPN approved and has a lot of KWPN offspring.
     

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