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post #11 of 22 Old 05-18-2013, 12:06 PM
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This frozen semen is nothing new. Many high quality cattle are produced by AI via frozen semen. Also, you can get frozen human semen if you want to get pregnant without the inconvenience of keeping a man around the house.
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This frozen semen is nothing new. Many high quality cattle are produced by AI via frozen semen. Also, you can get frozen human semen if you want to get pregnant without the inconvenience of keeping a man around the house.

Too late for me. I already got married and got one around the house. If I'd only known!
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You are proud of your Lovely stallion and his babies as well as the service you provide NOTHING IN THE world WRONG WITH THAT imo. AND YOU HAVE A LOT OF REASON TO BE PROUD. Giving excellent customer service is something we rarely see these days
. A dear friend of mine got bad semen from a very well known show stallion. The vet examined it upon deleivery is was dead. When she called to tell the owner he swore that the stallion had great semen and refused to reship at a reduced cost. She paid 900 JUST FOR THE COLLECTION AND SHIPPING not counting all the expenses with the mare and the cost of the stallion service itself.
I work with and ship semen for my dogs all the time and I know that even if the dog or horse has great semen there are many things that can ruin a shipment. I think that before any contract with frozen or cooled semen is made we should ask what the stallion owners policy is to reship if the semen is no good ( mistakes happen it's easy to do) or in the case that the mare simply fails to settle.

As for me I will reship canine semen as many times as they need it at no cost except the shipping..... and I've only ever had to reship one time when I shipment was lost in transit. But I'm happy to do that for my customers if they need it.

This is where great customer service as that supplied by Denise comes into play. The what if everything doesn't go as planned :)

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This frozen semen is nothing new. Many high quality cattle are produced by AI via frozen semen. Also, you can get frozen human semen if you want to get pregnant without the inconvenience of keeping a man around the house.
Hey Celeste :)
Of course frozen semen is noting new. I was wondering what "real" peoples experiences were with some of todays top stallions and semen brokers. I'm looking into breeding with a top dressage horse and was wanting to know if there are some that are known to have poor frozen semen or brokers that are better than others. I 've heard horror stories and know that some horses semen does not freeze well. If I'm going to lay down my $$ I want the best chance to get a baby possible :)

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That is correct! Freezing semen and embryos both are tools used by serious breeders.

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post #16 of 22 Old 05-18-2013, 06:57 PM
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Ok, these semen brokers......do they check the mares, like for pedigree, etc? I have very limited breeding experience & zero with frozen, transported semen, but what little I do have, I know the stallion owner had to approve the mare before any breeding contracts were signed. Or do these brokers just go with registry papers?
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I think for the most part Brokers simply sell frozen semen straws. They usually represent numerous big stallions that have heavy show schedules.
Which is I assume why they do the frozen instead of cooled semen which is my main area of expertise. For stallions out of the USA you have to go with frozen because you can't physically ship the semen fast enough to make cooled semen viable.

I have always sent a copy of my mares pedigree and conformation shots. I don't know if the brokers even look at them. IF you are buying directly from the stallion owner i'm sure most will want to examine the mares papers pedigree and conformation photos. I know of friends standing stallions that do almost no outside breeding ( refereed to as a "closed book") with their big show stallions because they say if you get one ugly non talented baby that is the one that you will see at every show. An embarrassing representation of what your stallion is producing. And of course the stallion is half the genetics just as the mare is half :)
Back the the original question the answer is i'm not sure. I get a feeling that the brokers are just paid pr straw or pr breeding ( usually 4 straws I think) so I doubt if most care. I'm sure they would assess the mare and tell you what she might cross with if you asked, but who knows if they know any more that we do LOL.
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Waresbear,
I think for the most part Brokers simply sell frozen semen straws. They usually represent numerous big stallions that have heavy show schedules.
Which is I assume why they do the frozen instead of cooled semen which is my main area of expertise. For stallions out of the USA you have to go with frozen because you can't physically ship the semen fast enough to make cooled semen viable.

I have always sent a copy of my mares pedigree and conformation shots. I don't know if the brokers even look at them. IF you are buying directly from the stallion owner i'm sure most will want to examine the mares papers pedigree and conformation photos. I know of friends standing stallions that do almost no outside breeding ( refereed to as a "closed book") with their big show stallions because they say if you get one ugly non talented baby that is the one that you will see at every show. An embarrassing representation of what your stallion is producing. And of course the stallion is half the genetics just as the mare is half :)
Back the the original question the answer is i'm not sure. I get a feeling that the brokers are just paid pr straw or pr breeding ( usually 4 straws I think) so I doubt if most care. I'm sure they would assess the mare and tell you what she might cross with if you asked, but who knows if they know any more that we do LOL.
And thus the very reason why we encourage a personal relationship with all the mare owners who choose HG Esquire+ for their mare. I know that not all stallions, in fact very few, are so consistent that you know what they are going to sire before it arrives no matter the mare. Fortunately HG Esquire+ is in fact consistent, regardless of pheno or genotype of the mare and because of this we offer a 100% Quality Satisfaction Guarantee on all breeding's to him that we sell directly. Again ~ Quality Customer Service is a TOP Priority for us and feel it truly should be the same for others, especially in the horse business!

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I just ordered semen from Select Breeders Southwest, and we are inseminating the mare tomorrow. I have used cooled from this stallion 6 times before, but since both of us have moved, and the stallion no longer lives at a breeding facility, owner provided me with the frozen semen.

This is my first experience with a breeders's service, and frozen, so we will see how it goes. I TRIED to start early, but the mare popped into heat, so everything happened in one day, and SBS was wonderful to deal with!

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Greentree ~ how did the breeding go?

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