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Hanoverians vs. Oldenburgs?

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What is the difference between a Hanoverian and an Oldenburg? The reason I ask is my filly's sire is Devon Heir, a Hanoverian. Some of his progeny, foals are advertised as Oldenburgs? I don't get it? Can someone explain this to me? Thanks!
 
#2 ·
If the mare of the Hanoverian foals is Hanoverian they can register them in that registry and the mare owner may prefer that registry. I believe it is the hardest registry to get approval from..

Also many stallion are approved in more than 1 registry.
 
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Does that mean a lot of the Warmbloods share similar, if not the same, bloodlines at times? Are there any special differences that may allow a horse into one of those registries but not the other?
 
#5 ·
Okay, so I'm still confused...... so if both the mare and sire are Hanoverian, the foal can be inspected and registered as an Oldenburg?

Also, my filly is Hanoverian/TB. What would she be eligible to be registered as?

Thanks!
 
#6 ·
Yes foals from a registered Hannovarian parents can end up in a different registry. It isn't the registry that guides the placement of the foal but the APPROVAL of the parents.

In other words a registered Hannovarian sire and Oldenburg dam with approval in the say Westphalia registry can have the foal end up in that registry. But the parents would have to have been approved in that registry.


As far as your filly, it all depends on where it was born ( imported?) and exactly what the parents are registered and approved for. So I cannot answer your question without that information.
 
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Okay, her sire is Devon Heir, registered Hanoverian stallion, guess he won the 2004 100 day test, pretty amazing looking guy. Her dam is just a registered TB as far as I know. My friend bred/raised Jewel, decided she doesn't know enough to train her, doesn't want to sell her and just offered her to me for free!

I was looking up her siblings and got confused, wondering why some were listed as Oldenburgs, when Devon Heir is a Hanoverian.
 
#8 ·
If you look up Devon heir he is approved --: Hanoverian Verband, American Hanoverian Society, ISR/Oldenburg North America.

This explains why most are Oldenburg.

It is very very hard to get approval in the Hanoverian registry and the ISR is very much easier.

Now as far as your filly the problem is the dam of your horse which I ASSUME was never approved in any WB registry and while a REGISTERED TB ( with JC papers) can go and be inspected it probably was not done.

So that leaves your filly with less options. You can go to the ISR and if approved will probably go in the lowest mare book and you will have to breed up.

You can also go to the AWR/AWS and RPSI

The situation you are in is so typical and shows the reason why NA will never have a WB unique to us.
 
#9 ·
Okay, I think I get it now. I'm not really interested in getting Jewel inspected or using her as a broodmare. Why do the owners of nice horses like Devon Heir allow breeding to mares who aren't inspected? Hopefully she'll end up a really good sporthorse for my daughter in years to come. Thanks for clarifying why the others were called Oldenburgs!
 
#10 ·
The problem is that while you may not feel you wish to use her as a broodmare,papers and registration gives you so much more in benefits than just papers for future foal status and it is this that so many people don't think about and lose out.

As far as why the stallion allowed the breeding in the first place, probably to see what he can produce as he is relatively new here and maybe in the hopes that the mare owner would get the mare approved. Maybe the mare is a very nice mare that could have gotten a high score if inspected and you can get both foal and mare inspected at the same time so maybe that was promised by the mare owner...who knows.
 
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I don't believe so and in fact any horse under 3 cannot be inspected for "BREEDING" approval as they are not fully mature. Most registries will require the horse to be 3 or over. They can be inspected at various ages depending on the registry involved. I would look up the rules in this regard to whatever registry you hope to have her in.

Your biggest problem is going to be proving your filly is by who you say she is. If the dam never got approved and probably never got any papers you will have your work cut out for you.

The other problem is did the dam actually have JC (jockey club) papers to prove she was TB?? If you cannot prove any of this then the ISR will probably not accept her. The AWR and AWS would though.
 
#13 ·
I believe my friend has the papers to prove Jewel is from Devon Heir, not sure about the mare. Thanks! Jewel's in that awkward, "all legs, butt high" phase right now but she sure can move, so balanced you could put a glass of water on her back when she canters and it looks like it wouldn't spill! Can't wait to ride her someday, several years out though :) She's been spoiled rotten so working on reversing that and getting some ground manners into her.
 
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I believe my friend has the papers to prove Jewel is from Devon Heir, not sure about the mare. Thanks! .
That will help in seeking papers from AWR or AWS but without JC papers on the mare I don't believe the ISR will accept her. Papers in your friends hands will do nothing for you. If you have the filly you should have ALL papers relating to this horse. Your friend does not need them so why does she have them?

If the ISR will accept her (assuming there are no JC papers on the dam) then it will be the lowest book. That may or may not be a benefit.

Right now if I were you I would look at the AWR for registration with the AWS as a second choice.

This is based on her age, breeding papers (or lack of them) and cost.
 
#15 ·
I'm still keeping Jewel at my friend's until I get another corral put up at my place to bring her home. Haven't transferred everything over so she still has all her records and such.

Is AWS the same registry that I could take my PMU draft cross to if I wanted to register him?
 
#16 ·
Is AWS the same registry that I could take my PMU draft cross to if I wanted to register him?
Yes but you do have a choice with the filly between AWR and AWS. The PMU would not be accepted with the AWR as they have a no draft policy ( not more than 25% draft).

The AWS discourages draft crosses that don't look like the more refined type so that you will have to decide whether placing your draft cross there or not. The filly from what I saw should be placed quite high in the AWS but I would wait until it is 3 years old to do the inspection.
 
#17 ·
No, definitely way more than 25% draft in him!! Since he's a gelding, guess there's really no reason for registering him. Just curious.

While Jewel moves very nicely, she's really funny looking right now at just turned 2! Butt high, all legs. Can't wait to bring her home and let her stretch out and build some muscle. She's always in a 24X24 with a round pen for turnout. We have pastures so she'll finally get to put those long legs to use!

Thanks for sharing your knowledge!
 
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