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post #61 of 94 Old 09-28-2011, 06:18 PM
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sheesh we could let the public back into the barn area .... there would be nothing to hide.
I would not want Ontario to go back to letting the public in the paddock or barn areas on the backside again.

It is for their safety, along with the safety of our horses, that they need to stay in the grandstands.

You never know who is a weirdo, who might slip your horse something. Not all horses are people friendly, but a stranger might not be aware of that, and get close enough to get lunged at and bit. The public that doesn't have horse experience also don't know when they need to stand out of the way, or move quick enough around horses. That means I might have to put myself in danger, to keep them from getting hurt.

Just because they are not allowed back there does not mean that TB or SB people are hiding something....

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especially since a "2 year old" can really be only 1 year 8 months.
How can a "two year old" only really be 1 year and 8 months?

Most breeders aim for a January birth, so that the foal is as close to its assigned birthday. Even if you have a March foal, you will still be racing it as a two year old, since by the time the horse is all legged up, it will be past March.

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post #62 of 94 Old 09-28-2011, 10:09 PM
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How can a "two year old" only really be 1 year and 8 months?

Most breeders aim for a January birth, so that the foal is as close to its assigned birthday. Even if you have a March foal, you will still be racing it as a two year old, since by the time the horse is all legged up, it will be past March.
I understand that there are many breeders that do try for a January baby, but there are some that are born in April or later. The breeder will not necessarily wait til April 2 years later to start the training process. The consider them in their 2nd year, as "2 year olds" at the first of January.

Of course it is not all of them, but in my opinion it doesn't matter. Even if a foal was born January 1st, and then is raced 2 years later, that is still too early. That was the point of that original post.

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Actually, the industry forces them to race based on the 1 Jan date for age or miss out on races. And they could have a horse that can't race as a 3 year old anymore because the industry says it's 4, even though it might only be 44 months old. If the owner waits they'll lose racing time and potential winnings. After all, it's about racing, and racing is about winning, and winning is about money. It's not about waiting. If they have a horse they intend to race they are going to spend money no matter what. If they wait there's no potential return on the money spent. If they race they have a potential for a return.
Have to keep in mind that this is a business and eveyone in it is there with the hope of at least making more money than they spend. And of course the dream of having a big (i.e consistant) winner is always there too.
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I read an article somewhere that the racing of young horses is healthier for them, I don't remember the exact wording, but something similar to how the teenagers who remain active aren't dealing with as many consequences when they get older.

Like, if you are a teen and not stretching, when you reach 30 or 40, you won't be NEARLY as flexible as someone who has been a gymnast their whole life.

Pssh.I didn't pick up the wrong lead
It's called a counter canter...
...A very advanced maneuver.
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That's the study partially quoted above, Sorrel, and the general consensus now is that the methodology and conclusions were....questionable...at best.
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I read an article somewhere that the racing of young horses is healthier for them, I don't remember the exact wording, but something similar to how the teenagers who remain active aren't dealing with as many consequences when they get older.

Like, if you are a teen and not stretching, when you reach 30 or 40, you won't be NEARLY as flexible as someone who has been a gymnast their whole life.
Put into perspective. Would you stand a 2 month old on there head? No, because their head has not hardened. Horses joints are like that. The start hardening from the bottom up.
For example: The ages at which some of the growth plates convert to bone.
Top of the short pastern between 9-12 month; top of long pastern between 13-15 months; cannon bone bottom become united with the shaft about 18 months; top and bottom of knees between 1.5 - 2 years; weightbearing top of the radius-ulna 15-18 months and it's distal surface 3-3.5 years; bottom of humerus 1.5 - 2 years; top of humerus 3-3.5 years; weight bearing bottom of the scapula 3-3.5 years

These are the ages when these bone joints have finished developing and sollidifying. And these are just the legs. There's more that doesn't finish developing until much later. The back finishes around 5.5 years.

You're listening to what the industry says. Not to what the majority of equine medicine says. You can't subject these developing joints to the stress of hard training and racing without doing damage.. The industry can't say that, because it would be an admission that they are damaging these young horses. I know they wish they could find a way to make their roughly 5,000 TB a year disposal rate become invisable.

Don't take either sides information as complete. Do the research. You'll find that while both sides put their own spin on it, but the industry is more ****ing, because they're trying to sugar coat, misrepresent or in some guess out right hide the facts.

As I've said in other post on this thread:
It is good to exercise young horses. But not as hard, fast and often as needed for racing. Racing is a brutal pounding on these young animals unharded joints, but I'm not going to repeat again what I've already written about in length during this thread
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Oh trust me, I'm not a fan of racing at a young age xD Just throwing that article out there as discussion food

Pssh.I didn't pick up the wrong lead
It's called a counter canter...
...A very advanced maneuver.
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Actually, the industry forces them to race based on the 1 Jan date for age or miss out on races. And they could have a horse that can't race as a 3 year old anymore because the industry says it's 4, even though it might only be 44 months old.
Yes, the birthday is a standard to all horses, but really, it isn't to make horses race at a younger age, it is for classifying classes. Its much easier to keep track of, then having to go through over 100 horses for each racing card, to double check if they fall correctly into the race conditions.

The owner(trainer) then decides if they want to race them or not as a two year old. There are races out there for over 4 year old horses, so not racing them as a 2 or 3 year old doesn't automatically mean that they can't race. Heck, there have been several Standardbreds horses here in Ontario that have aged out, and weren't allowed to race anymore. Age limit is 13 or 14...and they had raced from when they were 2 and 3.

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I own a lovely tb mare who I took on after being complety broken down for the second time before the age of 10 (she was not raced early) and she was owned by good people!! All I can say to this is look at her poor poor legs and you will see what racing does she sustaned 2 complete ruptures and her legs are apalling alot of them end up being sent for slaughter I always thought a horse wasnt fully developed (bone wise) until at least 4 they are RACING at 2 :( training from god knows when, how can it be right. My mare was not raced young and was still ruined by racing and her foal was raced and now his tendons have gone :( luckily she has found a loving home and is being retrained for a job she can enjoy and manage now :) I can send you pics of her legs for your studies if you like I believe it is all about money too x
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they don't race as older more mature horses because mostly of economics. Most breeders need the money and the performance of the horses sooner the can't have the luxury of waiting. Owning a hors that isn't giving you any return especially when owning a training barn is expensive and difficult. Especially when just starting your stable.

As for health problems it can cause a lot. Their bones are often not fully developed same with their joints and tendons and muscles and everything. Also they are recede year round on hard tracks with little support. Even with the best sand and best farrier in the world it does little to prevent injuries.

They do have races and stuff for older horses but they aren't as popular for some reason. Some breeders will race their more mature 2 yearols and most try to do it lightly. And some of the very nice and humane ones wait until the horse has completely filled out and sends it on late into its 3year old season or starts it 4 year old career. There are some big purses mostly out west from what I've heard where the age of the horses in the race is 3+ I think the breeders cup is one of them.

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