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  • Stallion license options for part trakehner
  • "hope of heaven" stallion

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    05-05-2013, 08:08 PM
  #11
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I am not a fan of the Part Trakehner idea so that isn't an option. It is looking more like going for Canadian somethingorother. I have my heart set on this stallion because he has everything I am looking for in a stud and then some. He will give me my UL baby.

I will talk with the registry as well as stallion owner and see what there is for options.
     
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    05-05-2013, 08:16 PM
  #12
Trained
Good

But seriously, I was shocked to read that. Trakehner Verband is VERY particular with which breeds can be used other than Trakehner, the breed is about as pure as the Arab and TB.....**shakes head*
This is, if course, nothing against your mare, by all means....but you know that...
     
    05-05-2013, 08:26 PM
  #13
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Originally Posted by deserthorsewoman    
Good

But seriously, I was shocked to read that. Trakehner Verband is VERY particular with which breeds can be used other than Trakehner, the breed is about as pure as the Arab and TB.....**shakes head*
This is, if course, nothing against your mare, by all means....but you know that...
Completely understandable and I get what you are saying!

Honestly I was surprised she was open to me breeding my mare to her stallion, as I know Trakehner is a very particular breed registry. She said that given my mares blood lines and her offspring as well as how she has been doing in the ring and that I am breeding with the purpose of an UL horse she was more then happy to allow me to breed to him.

Not going to lie, I am SUPER excited about this breeding. And I also have been keeping an eye for a nice Trakehner mare to possibly breed to him in the future. I am in love with the breed and am seriously considering focusing my "program" when I get it started on Trakehners. But that is an entirely different thread and topic
     
    05-05-2013, 09:01 PM
  #14
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I like them a lot. And I'm NOT a warmblood person.

With the owner of the stallion not having anything against breeding to a non-member Trakehner mare....that way around it is okay, quite a few Trakehner are used in other warmblood breeds.
     
    05-05-2013, 11:09 PM
  #15
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Originally Posted by deserthorsewoman    
Is there something like ZfDP in your part of the world?
I wouldn't go for "part-Trakehner". That's an American invention and probably not worth the paper it's printed on, registration wise. And im thoroughly shocked that this is being offered by the ATA( yes, I am too German)
Speak to the stallion owner and your mare's registry.
Basically, the horse with partbred papers is eligible for the same PERFORMANCE incentives as a purebred. How is that so horrible? I think it's a great way to get horses out there competing, and, no, they cannot be inspected into the studbooks, but why should they be? That would defeat the purpose of keeping the breed a breed.

If you are breeding for a performance prospect, then not such a big deal. If it's a colt, most likely it will be gelded anyway. It appears that the CSHA will allow you to register the foal anyway, even though Tzigane is not "approved" with them:

• One or both parents must have CSHA breeding approval. If it is the sire, then he must have a stallion license for the year of conception. Complete the “Registration Application” and see fee schedule attached.

• DNA hair samples must be submitted for all offspring . Please forward your pulled hairs attached to the DNA form to Canadian Sport Horse Association for each horse. Please insert the folded form containing the hair into a separate envelope for each horse to avoid cross contamination.

O If both sire and dam have been approved as breeding stock with the CSHA check full parentage verification

o If only one parent (sire or dam) have been approved as breeding stock with the CSHA check check Parentage Verification – Sire OR Parentage Verification – Dam depending on which one is the CSHA approved parent.

• 4 colour photos must be supplied showing four sides of the horse for verification of markings. Digital photos can be emailed provided name and owner clearly marked with each photo in email.

• A Certificate of Service (breeding certificate) signed by the stallion owner must accompany the registration indicating the exact dates that the sire serviced the dam.

• For horses with one CSH approved parent - please supply proof of ownership of the dam and proof of her pedigree (lineage) if she is the non-CSHA parent. If the sire is the non-CSHA parent, please supply proof of his pedigree (lineage) and proof that the horse is owned by the person signing the Certificate of Service (breeding certificate). A copy of breed of origin papers is the best proof of pedigree (lineage)

• Owners must have a current annual CSHA membership – see Fee Schedule.

• Fees are payable by either cheque, Visa or MasterCard.


It doesn't say "partbred papers" or anything of the like. So, theoretically, as long as you can verify parentage that the covering stallion is an "approved" breed (not necessarily approved CSHA, then the offspring will be eligible for studbook approval at a later date regardless of the sires' CSHA approval status. Interestingly, the Trakehner stallion "Humble GS" is CSHA approved but has NOT been presented or approved with the ATA...So, I would be willing to bet that the CSHA would "approve" Tzigane "sight unseen" like they apparently did with the Trakehner Verband approved Hope of Heaven, also standing at Galten Farms. From the CSHA website:

SIGHT UNSEEN APPROVAL
The CSHA will consider stallions for approval provided the stallion has permanent breeding approval, based on conformation and performance testing with an accepted registry.

The following is a list of the required documents:
Application Form
Copy of Registration papers indicating Full Breeding Approval
Copy of Full pedigree
DNA report for Stallion
Performance Record
Proof of Ownership
Membership Application
Payment of applicable fees

Stallions approved ‘sight unseen’ on the merit of their stallion performance test are given a ‘Bronze Premium’ status. Application for premium upgrade may be made with proof of completing required performance criteria.


Might be worth it to you, OP, as a mare owner to look into that for your foal, if the CSHA is the way you want to go.
     
    05-05-2013, 11:14 PM
  #16
Foal
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Originally Posted by deserthorsewoman    
Good

But seriously, I was shocked to read that. Trakehner Verband is VERY particular with which breeds can be used other than Trakehner, the breed is about as pure as the Arab and TB.....**shakes head*
This is, if course, nothing against your mare, by all means....but you know that...
The Verband doesn't limit which "outside blood" mares a stallion can be bred to, but they WON'T REGISTER the foal or allow it into studbooks, just as the ATA will not.
     
    05-05-2013, 11:59 PM
  #17
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Originally Posted by Joie    
The Verband doesn't limit which "outside blood" mares a stallion can be bred to, but they WON'T REGISTER the foal or allow it into studbooks, just as the ATA will not.
I did state in the next post that a stallion can be used/ approved for other breeds.
I was just wondering why the ATA would issue part bred papers.
Since there is no such " breed".
Im all for registering a foal, colt or filly. With the " best" registry possible. Imagine a filly, becoming the UL eventer, and could not breed on due to doubtful part bred registration.
I'm not familiar with the north American warmblood registries, but I can imagine it's something comparable to the German ZfDP.
     
    05-06-2013, 08:28 AM
  #18
Foal
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Originally Posted by Joie    
Might be worth it to you, OP, as a mare owner to look into that for your foal, if the CSHA is the way you want to go.

It is very possible they will approve this stud " sight unseen" as they have done so with many others. The Trakhner registry is one registry I know they highly approve of. At the very least the foal will get half CSH papers and that would be adjusted later if the Sire was approved.
     

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