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  • FHANA rules and Regulations regarding cross breeding
  • Canadian friesen cross horse for sale

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    04-25-2013, 10:26 AM
  #11
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Originally Posted by dbarabians    
Whats the big deal? Cross breeding does not harm the purebreds and as a stallion owner recouping the cost of a stallion and breeding operation .
How the owners make their money is no business of the registries if it is done ethically. Shalom
The 'big deal' is that it's part of the Friesian registry by-laws that an owner will abide by the 'no outcrossing' ruling or their horses lose their breeding status and registration.

An owner deliberately outcrossing when they KNOW it's against the registry's requirements is hardly what I'd consider ethical.
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    04-25-2013, 01:08 PM
  #12
Trained
Speedracer are the North American Associations independent of the Dutch registry?
Each breed can set its own rules but with the numbers of Friesan stallions being used for cross breeding could the registries be shooting themselves in the foot so to speak?
Thanks for the explaination. Shalom
     
    04-25-2013, 02:10 PM
  #13
Foal
I knew that was the case with mares, as the mare's are more limited on foals, but I did not know that was the case with stallions. I've seen so many Friesian sporthorses, amazing to think that those stallions are loosing their registration. There are a couple of stallions near me that advertise "Our Top Rated, 1st Premium, homozygous black, Dutch imported and registered, Friesian Stallions are available for Cross Breeding to ANY mare!" So they are not actually Dutch registered anymore because they have been used for crossbreeding?
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    04-25-2013, 02:34 PM
  #14
Weanling
From the FHANA website:

"Q. Is cross breeding allowed?

A. No. The rules of FHANA strictly forbid the breeding of KFPS registered Friesian horses with other breeds."

Frequently Asked Questions - FHANA - Friesian Horse Association of North America
     
    04-25-2013, 02:44 PM
  #15
Showing
I could be mistaken, but isn't the friesian one of the so-called "reclaimed" breeds? I could have sworn that I read somewhere that the friesian as it's own breed was nearly lost due to an over abundance of cross-breeding, so the breed societies made the "no cross-breeding" rule to try to reclaim the breed, which is why you have the two types of friesians (the heavier baroque-style and the lighter modern-style).
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    04-25-2013, 04:54 PM
  #16
Green Broke
I have no issue with advertising on Kijiji, but will admit that from the amount of time I spend scrolling through ads, you rarely find anything of quality. Every so often you do, and virtually any horse priced at over $5,000 seems to have an ad up for EONS. People looking for quality don't typically shop on Kijiji.

We have an awesome resource site specifically for Manitoba horse people that connects you to local barns, trainers, coaches, farriers, stallions, etc. I also tend to see ads for bigger name stallions and sale horses in our local tack stores.

Definitely Kijiji can be a good resource, but one rarely used by more prominant horse people as it doesn't often attract the type of clients one would want when talking about the bigger bucks.

And I agree about the cross breeding. Pimping your 1st Premium purebred stud to any ol' mess of a mare that will pay your fee in direct violation of your registries request/requirement speaks volumes about that individual as a horse person I think. Virtually everyone I know in this area with a Friesen, Andalusian/Lusitano or even a cheaper Warmblood stud breeds it to everything with four legs and fur in desperate hope they can sell the babies for a few thousand a pop. And then after the first crop or two fail, you inevitably end up seeing the stud for sale LOL

Definitely we do have some responsible breeders, but the number of Kijiji ads I see for "get rich quicl babies" that someone thinks is worth money just because it's daddy was an Andalusian (and momma was a fugly PMU Draft QH cross with purty kolor) is really sad. I came across one recently breeding a nice pinto Warmblood stud to a TRAIN WRECK of flashy kolored pinto Heinz 57 mare and baby came out brown from head to toe without a speck of white. How much you wanna bet it wouldn't be for sale if it came put "krazy kolored" which was clearly the intention? *shakes head*
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    04-25-2013, 05:06 PM
  #17
Green Broke
Also dbarabians:

You have to remember that a stallion having a ton of worthless progeny ultimately lowers the worth of that stallion and the bloodlines involved as well. The more people that can lay claim to that stallions name and ultimately the name of it's legendary sire with horses that do not even come CLOSE to doing it any justice makes that line less sought after.

I have a friend who has a gorgeous Paint barrel racing stallion who is a champion all the way aroud - locally, provincially and even nationally. She only has a few crops of a couple foals a year from him - the oldest crop is turning 5 this year and really blowing away the competition in barrel racing. Every rideable baby he has right now is being proven in the show ring either by his owner or the select friends she's chosen to sell that progeny to and help campaign them.

This is the way to own a stallion. People are impressed when you can quote high percentages of competing progeny that are winning because someone tool the time to prove them. He stands at public stud now and has an impressive list of accomishments, including being a proven sire. People will buy his babies because they are WORTH something coming from a stallion who has proven his worth as a competitor and sire.

Turn around and take someone who breeds their purebred flawless mare to this Friesen stallion and really has a baby that's worth something in the breed. If she's trying to sell that baby and competing with six other ads also selling his progeny from worthless mares, that instantly lowers the value of her foal by the "commoness" of his bloodlines now.

It really is an economy game too. People don't realize what a negative impact saturating a market with a specific bloodline is, especially when it's being crossed on less than note worthy horses. Breeding a top stud to a crap mare doesn't make the baby worth money if it comes out just as crappy. All it does is pull down the worth of legitematly nice foals!
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    04-25-2013, 05:23 PM
  #18
Foal
Macabremikolaj what's the resource site for Manitoba?
     
    04-26-2013, 03:05 AM
  #19
Trained
I see your point M&M, I hope you don't mind that I shortened your name.
I also own a stallion but do not breed for any particular discipline.
I want a versatile individual that is affordable and correct.
I see so many Friesan stallions listed for crossbreeding I find it hard to believe that a registry would kick so many horses out for simply breeding.
Even the big reigistries are suffering from lower numbers of foals being registered each year and are relaxing their rules and allowing older horses to be registered. Can the Friesan registries afford to lose good paying members? Shalom
     
    04-26-2013, 12:46 PM
  #20
Green Broke
Manitoba Equine Directory - Home

I love it. It's well managed and maintained and just about everyone owning a horse associated business is listed. It's my go to for most things.
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