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post #21 of 50 Old 04-26-2013, 04:26 PM
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I find the horse market here is champagne tastes on a beer budget with a lot people trying to pass off some cheap wine with bubbles as champagne
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post #22 of 50 Old 04-26-2013, 04:51 PM
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I see so many Friesan stallions listed for crossbreeding I find it hard to believe that a registry would kick so many horses out for simply breeding.
Even the big reigistries are suffering from lower numbers of foals being registered each year and are relaxing their rules and allowing older horses to be registered. Can the Friesan registries afford to lose good paying members? Shalom
The reason that rule was added in the first place was an attempt to protect the breed, IMO. They were hoping that it would discourage crossbreeding and help increase their numbers. Logically, breeders would not want to risk their coveted registration to crossbreed, if they cared enough to have a high quality registered stallion in the first place.
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Haha great analogy Sherian, I agree!
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I have a friend that owns an app/freisan and you talk about beautiful! He has papers, but I think it may be suger rush? Hmmm. Or something. But, around here paint and app crossbred to freisans are all around. With papers. I'm gonna find a picture of this app cross n post it.
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Majestic Eros Friesian This is his pedigree

He is registerd with FSHR and with the Sugarbush I guess.... I know nothing of pedigree.. All I know is I am a sucker for spots of any kind !!!
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post #26 of 50 Old 05-03-2013, 01:43 AM
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They would get in BIG trouble if he were actually an APPROVED Friesian stud. He's 1st premie, sure, but that's still not approved. That process takes a while, and a LOT of money. There are quite a few people that don't want to go through that process, and just skip it. Or they try, and get turned down at the first part of the inspection. Then they end up doing this. I see a lot of unapproved Friesian stallions breeding everything in sight. You'd think FHANA would be aware of it, but there are just so many that I don't think they can keep track!

I really get sick of the "Oooh! Pretty hair! Gotta breed it to everything with 4 legs! Your horse only has 3 legs? No matter! We'll get a stilt to prop her up while he does the deed!"
Sheesh!

I've had 2 people approach me with purebred "1st premie" Friesian stallions that they wanted to breed to my (FHANA registered) Friesian mare. It'd make their stallions look great, as the foal would probably turn out okay, but it'd make my mare look like trailer trash and, as someone already stated, would put her at risk for getting kicked out of the Studbook. Also, a lot of Friesian mares have trouble with the birthing process, so why would I breed my mare to a stud that isn't approved, and make that risk? Why not make the risk on a foal that is registerable, and that will continue to compliment the breed?
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post #27 of 50 Old 05-03-2013, 03:12 PM
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I understand fully well not breeding a mare from a rare breed. crossbreeding such a mare is a waste of time IMO and her abilities used to produce purebreds.
However i see lots of stallions advertised for outcrossing and some are very nice and are approved.
Looks to be an open secret and perhaps if the stallion is well known and owned by someone with connections the breed association is going to ignore this violation.
I have a friend that has a half arabian /friesian out of her arab mare. the stallion was imported and his owners spent tens of thousands buying him and getting him here. How they recoup their investment IMO is their business. Shalom
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I understand fully well not breeding a mare from a rare breed. crossbreeding such a mare is a waste of time IMO and her abilities used to produce purebreds.
However i see lots of stallions advertised for outcrossing and some are very nice and are approved.
Looks to be an open secret and perhaps if the stallion is well known and owned by someone with connections the breed association is going to ignore this violation.
I have a friend that has a half arabian /friesian out of her arab mare. the stallion was imported and his owners spent tens of thousands buying him and getting him here. How they recoup their investment IMO is their business. Shalom
Sure, that's their business. Just like it is up to the registry to be able to decide who they give registration to, and who/why they take it away from.

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post #29 of 50 Old 05-21-2013, 12:31 PM
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You know, I was curious about this the other day. The stable where I currently ride raises Arabians and Arabian crosses and when I was there the other day, someone was grooming a Friesian/Arab cross. To say this horse was gorgeous was an understatement. Of course I didn't want to question the BO on the Friesian sire's merits so I actually looked it up. I didn't see anywhere that it states they can't outcross; I'll admit, I skimmed the website, but I looked at the bylaws and registry overview and I didn't see this mentioned anywhere. Is it possible they have relaxed on this rule a little? Of course, it is also very possible I missed reading it or just looked in the wrong spot.

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You know, I was curious about this the other day. The stable where I currently ride raises Arabians and Arabian crosses and when I was there the other day, someone was grooming a Friesian/Arab cross. To say this horse was gorgeous was an understatement. Of course I didn't want to question the BO on the Friesian sire's merits so I actually looked it up. I didn't see anywhere that it states they can't outcross; I'll admit, I skimmed the website, but I looked at the bylaws and registry overview and I didn't see this mentioned anywhere. Is it possible they have relaxed on this rule a little? Of course, it is also very possible I missed reading it or just looked in the wrong spot.
About halfway down the page,

"Q. Is cross breeding allowed?

A. No. The rules of FHANA strictly forbid the breeding of KFPS registered Friesian horses with other breeds."

Frequently Asked Questions - FHANA - Friesian Horse Association of North America
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