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        05-21-2013, 01:20 PM
    Ha! Of course, I missed it!
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        05-21-2013, 03:27 PM
    So basically if the Friesian Sport Horse Registry does not disclose the names of the purebred sires and dams used for outcrossing then breeders are safe from losing the registration on their stallions and mares. Shalom
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        05-21-2013, 03:51 PM
    Green Broke
    Maybe so, but it would be pretty shady business to try to hide it when you know it's against the rules. Not someone I would want to do business with for sure.
        05-21-2013, 04:13 PM
    Maybe so, but it would be pretty shady business to try to hide it when you know it's against the rules.
    I agree with you. I don't necessarily agree with the rule, but I don't own or plan to own or breed Friesians. And I don't think I could purposely be dishonest. Especially if I know that the offspring would be registered with another association, for example, part-arab. All someone would have to do if they suspected someone of outcrossing is look in datasource. I would be nervous and paranoid all the time!

    I wonder why the reasoning still stands in the first place though. I understand, originally, it was to help preserve the breed, but now it just seems a little protectionist. If you bred a Friesian stallion to an outside mare or vice versa, it doesn't make them any less a Friesian. Are they still that rare?
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        05-21-2013, 06:24 PM
    Green Broke
    I have not heard of a half freisen registry. Another breed that does not allow cross breeding is norweigen Fjord. And if you have a fjord and the original breeder / farm sold her w/o papers , you cannot get the papers, even if you have the registered name and reg number, even with dna testing. So make sure you walk off with papers in your hand !!
        05-21-2013, 06:29 PM
    Green Broke
    I didn't know that about fjords. Interesting.
        05-21-2013, 06:44 PM
    Green Broke
    It depends on which registry the Friesian is registered with, as someone posted earlier. If it's the stricter registry, there's no doubt they can lose their registry. If it's the one that is less strict they won't necessarily lose their registration.
        05-21-2013, 06:50 PM
    Green Broke
    Sigh, I found that out about the fjords the hard way. USA and Canadian registry. But I am not breeding, so its not a big deal.
        05-21-2013, 10:47 PM
    Originally Posted by stevenson    
    I have not heard of a half freisen registry.
    Not sure if you were referring to my post, or just stating in general, but thought I would clarify anyhow. And if it was clear to begin with and you were just commenting, then I apologize. I was referring to other registries where you could register the offspring, for example the Arabian Horse Association. Chances are, if you registered the resulting foal, you would probably put some record of the stud and his breed, if not all of his registration information. It wouldn't be too difficult to find out and would seem a huge risk - at least for someone as risk averse as I am! However, it has been mentioned a few times, it seems registry dependent. Some allow outcrossings.
        05-21-2013, 11:23 PM
    Glynnis when I breed an Arabian to any breed besides a TB or ASB I do not put the name or breed of the horse.
    Half arabians do not require dna verification and IMO the Arab registry is only concerned with the arabian parents lineage. I usually put grade QH
    ASB's and TBs though are different. Anglo Arabs and NSH's are breeds and both sides of the pedigree need to be verified.
    You can breed all the half arab/friesians you want and the friesian registry would not find out. Shalom

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