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post #41 of 50 Old 05-21-2013, 11:47 PM
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Hey thanks DB. I obviously don't have much experience registering with the AHA! Thanks for the insight.
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post #42 of 50 Old 05-23-2013, 07:13 PM
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As stated there is a huge difference between a purebred Friesian colt going to his inspection and being graded first premie and to an inspected and approved stallion that is approved for breeding by FHANA. To be approved by FHANA there is a rigorous process which you can read about here: Rules & Regulations - FHANA - Friesian Horse Association of North America. Once stallions are approved they can still lose their status if their foals are not of a high enough quality or they produce too many foals with too much white. Out of all of the USA this is the entire list of living approved stallions (FHANA): North American Stallions - FHANA - Friesian Horse Association of North America. So this leaves MANY purebred colts that are not approved stallions that are out there breeding and making crossbreds and purebreds, however as I understand it only foals out of the 100 or so approved stallions can be registered for the higher levels of the stud book.
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So , the stallions are still purebred and registered just not of the higher approved levels?
i do know that there are different levels of purebreds and they must be inspected.
However are the purebred foals from less than premium mares and stallions still registered?
Excuse my ingnorance, but my interest in a breed I am not a fan of, has suddenly increased. Shalom
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You can read more here: Registry Overview - FHANA - Friesian Horse Association of North America

It used to be that those foals out of mares that are approved and by non-approved stallions (that are in the foal book) were registered as B-Book II. But it Looks like any foal after 2008 out of non-approved stallion can not be registered.

I am not an expert on the matter either.
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post #45 of 50 Old 06-04-2013, 08:06 PM
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We have a big friesen farm in our little valley and they will breed their stud to anyone who will pay... not saying it's a good thing... just that I find this thread very interesting because of their practices.
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post #46 of 50 Old 07-19-2013, 11:05 PM
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Originally Posted by DraftyAiresMum View Post
Looks to me like she just hasn't been caught yet or she's lying. Seriously, who advertises their 1st Premium friesian stud in frigging Kijiji?
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I was thinking the exact same thing. No serious breeder with a well bred stallion is going to be putting really ridiculous ads like that on kijiji. Someone should email the registry with a link to the ad though
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post #47 of 50 Old 07-20-2013, 02:54 PM
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First, as TukishVan and Tryst basically pointed out, the stallion does not "lose" it's registration. It doesn't suddenly stop being a pure blooded Friesian stallion. If it has made it to the breeding stud book in the Dutch registry it will loose it's position and status there and be dropped from the list of stallions approved for breeding.
Relatively speaking very few stallions get there. Most that make become STER don't. Not because they can't, but it is a lot of work, time and money
Now, that's for the Dutch registry. The requirements are not the same outside of Holland. Different registries exist in other countries and they can each have their own requirements which may or may not be the same (e.g. the FPVZ in Germany differs from the Dutch FPS, and there must be at least 3 different registries in the US. Some of which will certainly differ from the FPS). Some don't allow it for approved breeding stallions (e.g. the FPS), but most do allow cross breeding.

As DraftyAriesMum comment about. Yes, todays Friesian is a breed that had to be basically brought back from the brink. They did this by cross breeding (oh parish the thought ) and not so very long ago really. They used breeds that had used Friesians in their development. Basically the same as if it had to be done today they might use the Friesian Sporthorse to help bring back the breed.

The Friesian is (and historically as been) a great breed for improving and developing breeds. In much the same way the Arabian has been used, but for different traits. (calm, strong bones, etc..)

For those who think it's a bad idea to cross just keep in mind that ALL of the breeds we have today (all the way back to first "recorded" horses used my man for which we have documented records) were the product of (selective and non selective) cross breeding. Sometimes we end up with superior horses and sometimes not. Ultimately time sorts out the breeds that we like to keep around (for whatever reason).

So when you go out and look at that horse (or those horses) that you love so much keep in mind that that animal is the product of someone, somewhere at some time breeding a stallion from one breed (or perhaps a cross breed) to a mare from another breed (or perhaps some other cross breed) and over time, no matter what the breed, the end product is what you're riding today.

They're always going to be bigger and stronger so you better always be smarter. (One of my grandfather's many pearls of wisdom)
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I am the owner of Alde fan Aurelius and was informed about this thread by a friend. Glad to some educated folk here! Disappointed in some of the assumptions by others. I most definately am NOT lying about my stallion. He was inspected at Olds Alberta by FHANA judges. I own 3 FHANA registered friesians. Stallion, mare and gelding. All have been inspected. I drove them myself. Alde's papers are listed on my fb page. There are folders there of all my horses including my purebred lippizaners. Since I have been widowed the cost of frozen semen with my mare has become too much. I offer breeding for purebred Lippizaner or friesian but must have the client pay for the semen and costs involved and commit to buying the foal once born. I don't have the room or the money to have $10,000 foals sitting around the property while the horse market continues the way it has been.
Thanks for the interesting reading and I invite you all to take a look at my Facebook page Aurelius Acres Friesian Horses. If you have any further questions or concerns about my stallion or would just like to chat about the breed, please feel free to contact me there.
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I have no business posting here probably but as someone who loves Friesians and actually has done articles for hobby sites regarding them and a few other Baroques I'm throwing in my two cents anyways.

The link you all were posting back in May, (Frequently Asked Questions - FHANA - Friesian Horse Association of North America)that says that No Friesians may be crossbred now has a different answer to that question. It now says,
Q. Is cross breeding allowed?

A. The rules of FHANA strongly discourage the breeding of KFPS registered Friesian horses with other breeds.
Previously, I had done some research on Warlanders, which are Friesian/Iberian (usually Andalusian or Lusitano), mixes. The Warlander Registry requires that the dam and sire are registered with their respective registries and this includes the FHANA. Now I don't see anywhere on the FHANA page that says, yes, breed these horses together please. BUT I think they must have realized or made a deal with whoever and had their strict rules changed to accommodate at least this one other registry.

I have also seen Warlanders listed online as being triple registered, with each respective breed registry. So either the registry and the owners are all lying or rules have indeed changed. I'm off to see if I can dig up WHY exactly they changed their rules and what they are now, more specifically than, 'highly discouraged.'
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post #50 of 50 Old 12-30-2013, 06:47 PM
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Interesting enough a Friesian receiving a 1 premium as a Foal means nothing at all! It is what they get rated the second time is what counts! Looking at this particular persons horses papers, she has cut off the part where it says the horse only received 1 premium as a foal and not what the horse was rated as an adult, in which she never has brought back for his second inspection by the dutch judges. False advertising..... uh yes! Do your homework people.
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