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    08-23-2013, 04:01 PM
Originally Posted by dbarabians    
By the way I have seen pictures of that arabian mare of yours. She is very nice and like you stated IMO deserves to be bred.
That foal would have a value more than most foals.
I don't see how you would lose. Shalom Donald
LOL that is a whole different discussion, I am no longer a breeder of any sort, I just have two nice Arab mares, mother and daughter, mum is no longer able to be bred, so have one who I could breed.

How would I lose? Well I am very attached to her, and waiting for her mother to give birth to her last foal, well that was very very tough, and I would be even more worried about Emmy. That is why I could never be a big breeder, only want to use mares I like, then worry about them the whole time. So yes, however small the possibility the biggest loss is that I could lose Emmy.

How could I lose? I don't have a lot of money, we are farmers on the prairies, farming is tough right now, once again, Emmy's mum, she came down with colic after her last foaling, I knew what it was, I knew that I needed the vet NOW, but the look on husbands face as I was dialling the number haunts me. I knew that the vet was needed, I knew that sooner would be cheaper, and would mean a good outcome for Ace, while he was on wait and see. I knew that in the seven years we have lived here money has never been an issue with the vet, I either pay the whole bill at the end of the month, or I make payments, it is never an issue. That one incident right there made me list the breeding herd, I had no business having them just because I loved them.

How can I lose, well the stud I want for Emmy has $1000 stud fee, then I have to factor in AI costs or transport and mare care for her, lets figure $1500 total to get her in foal, then vet care and extras through pregnancy, lets argue $2000 to get the foal on the ground, heck lets call it to weaning. So now I need to sell the weanling for $2000 just to break even, and I just wont get that sort of money here, $1500 tops I would say, $1000 maybe, depends on the foal, so I could lose there.

How could I lose? Well I could get a perfectly beautiful and correct foal out of this, and I could keep her (OK or him) to join my collection of beautiful Arabs, but to what end, I have two gorgeous girls already, and I also have a part bred who I love to bits, so I don't NEED another one.

So my internal battle goes on, of course I would love a foal, I just don't need another horse
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    08-23-2013, 04:16 PM
Everyone has their reasons for or against and they are all valid if well thought out and the resources are there.
Just saying I would be very proud to have that mare in my herd.
We have bred cattle for many generations at the family place and I learned at a young age not to allow my self to become emotionally tied to any livestock. They all die or are sold sooner or later. So I avoid the emotional roller coaster we sometimes experience as owners.
I also understand the economics of farming and the fluctuations in prices.
Why I am glad we operate debt free and have for generations.
Neither my brother or I draw any money from the estate in order to keep it financially sound.
Like I said golden horse that is a nice mare and your logic is good . Shalom
    08-23-2013, 06:29 PM
Originally Posted by dbarabians    
We have bred cattle for many generations at the family place and I learned at a young age not to allow my self to become emotionally tied to any livestock. They all die or are sold sooner or later. So I avoid the emotional roller coaster we sometimes experience as owners.
LOL it is easy for me to not have emotional investment in cows, chickens, pigs etc, I can make decisions about life death, breed or not breed easily in those animals, because lets face it, we are producing food. I want to breed an animal that will get to market weight as quick as possible, while eating as little as possible, and if it shows no inclination to kill me, itself, or others of it's own kind, it's a bonus. Keepers and breeders excel at all these points, the rest, well load onto the trailer, take to the auction and wait for the check to arrive.

I simply can't look at horses in that objective fashion, and that is the question that fascinates me, do big breeders have that disconnect, and more importantly, what is their goal, everyone has to have a goal, because if not how do you decide who to mate to who?
    08-24-2013, 03:22 AM
Golden Horse I never said I was not attached to them. If one has to be put down or sold I do feel sadness mixed with the joy if they are sold to a good home.
I know here they will only have known kindness and good care. Once out of my possesion they are left to fate. I am not always comfortable with that and have kept mares I should have sold for better ones.
If breeding were a true business for me and I needed to live off the sale of stallion services and selling horses , I would have sold most of the stock I bred in the last 25 years to buy better show quality animals.
The large breeders I know here in Texas that have lots of mares in foal each year are brutal when the cull. They cut their losses early and if a mare no matter what her record or pedigree doesnt live up to expectations is disposed of rather quickly and by any means necessary.
Breeding is not for the faint of heart.
For instance the colt that was born here Star's Black Magic is from a mare I bought 2 years ago in a package 3 mares she was in foal.
That foal I still have and he is cow hocked . One of the worst I have ever seen. He has a full brother cow hocked too.
If when crossed with my stallion Star a foal was born with the same fault I would have sold her ASAP after having her trained to ensure her chances of a better home. Magic however has very good legs like his dam. So she stays unless the foal she delivers next year has the same fault.
One of the reasons I can disassociate my emotions from my animals is the medical condition I have as the result of a sexual assualt. HIV.
I witnessed many people of different ages races and sexes die. Often not very easy deaths. I also lost both my parents at an early age.
I have worked and volunteered with organizations that serve those with AIDS and Cancer. Death is not so foreign or scary to those who learn early Death is as much a part of life as breathing and being born.
So I accept it as something that will happen sooner or later. I hope that gives you an insight into how I make decisions on my breeding program and a little about myself. Shalom Donald
    08-24-2013, 05:00 AM
I'm feeling the same way, Golden Horse. I have a lovely black Arabian mare, Black Beauty (I know - how original). She's my love. I'd really love to breed her just because I love her so and I've never raised my own from birth. Like you, I'm afraid of the risks pregnancy place on her health. I would feel devastated if anything happened to her, especially since there is no REAL reason to breed her except for me to fulfill the desire to have a foal out of her. Anyway, here's a good excuse to show her off a bit!

    08-25-2013, 02:29 PM
Thanks for your sharing and your honesty Donald, I wish more people would have jumped in, I now know a lot about one person, but have no breadth of knowledge

Now for a bombshell.......

I have discovered that I actually WOULD consider breeding Emmy

Yes that makes me some sort of hypocrite maybe, and also in many many people's eyes a BYB, because IF I bred her, it would not be to another Arab.

It started as a random thought, that is becoming more of a why not thought, and I am soooo glad that there is at least 7 or 8 months for me to REALLY REALLY think about this and make sure that I either want to, or don't want to do it.

I would consider breeding her to a reining stallion, and a Paint at that, breeding for a using horse, not just to put another pretty horse in the world. This is come as a shock to me, and as I say I need to go hide under a rock and think about it for a while.......
    08-25-2013, 02:34 PM
Oh! Just saw this! Keep us updated on what you decide!
    08-25-2013, 02:44 PM
I breed because I can, because I want too, and because I don't care what anyone thinks.

And you are crazy for breeding her to an Arabian. LOL
I know of a super nice purebred sabino Arabian stallion that has a wicked reining record in Sask for her.
    08-25-2013, 02:47 PM
LOL, good answer WS, and yes it's no ones business, but yours, but there as to be a goal, other wise it is totally random, and I don't think you are random.

Tell me more about said stallion.
    08-25-2013, 03:05 PM
Originally Posted by Golden Horse    
LOL, good answer WS, and yes it's no ones business, but yours, but there as to be a goal, other wise it is totally random, and I don't think you are random.

Tell me more about said stallion.
The goal is in the foal you produce - I have three left and I think I *may* keep two for a modern outcross on my older bred mares. I have cut WAAY back though - might get a year out of two more then it is just six mares and one stud and I think I have three mares leased next year.
I only want to breed what I can afford to feed for at least three years.

Here is a link to his ad. Her website is currently down but her email address is there to contact her:

Back to Marketplace

I've seen what he produces and they are NICE.

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