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        08-22-2013, 10:39 AM
      #91
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    Thanks Donald, you understood what I was saying. I appreciate that
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        08-22-2013, 10:52 AM
      #92
    Weanling
    As to the op's question. When looking at a stallion prospect, I want good bloodlines for the discipline I am breeding for, correct conformation, once again, for that discipline. I also want excellent temperament. That said, I wouldn't want a dead head cutting prospect, I just want one that has a head on his neck that can listen and be a respectful horse.
    Also, and this is the most important part, I want them to handle training well. Not halter/in hand training. Under saddle. I have handled a few stallions that were great on the ground. Start expecting some work out of them, and they became snotty and resentful. Some work out of that because they were just ticked that their life of leisure was over, some are genuine buggers to work with. That passes on, believe me.
    I wouldn't want a couple foals on the ground, only to find out that their sire is fabulous to handle on the ground but a pain in the hiney under saddle. If all a person has is halter horses, then whatever, but if they aren't halter horses, they are saddle horses and what good is a hard to train saddle horse who doesn't enjoy his job?
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        08-22-2013, 10:52 AM
      #93
    Green Broke
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    Muppetgirl you always run the risk of passing on faults with any stallion. Especially an unproven one whether at 2 or 5 or 10.
    None of the people I know that breed at 2 do so on a large scale.
    As posted Cassius will cover 3 mares only for the first few years. Not 30.
    Then lets not forget the mares in the equation. They have as much to say about what the foal inherits as the sire. He will cover proven broodmares for his own safety and because I know what they throw.
    Plus Cassius is in a 10 acre pasture bucking kicking running just being a horse without being confined. He hasnt since the day he was born. Before I picked him up he was running with his dam in a herd of 12 horses on 30 acres. If there were faults that were not visible physically we would have seen them by now. If not he could be ridden for years before they show up.
    I will never break a horse to saddle before it is 3 or 4 if it is still developing.
    You make a good point though about the greater risk of breeding a young stallion. What you posted is true. The young horse doing the breeding is not in danger it is the foal produced from the cross that is at risk. Something for the OP and I to consider. Shalom
    Nothing is ever a guarantee. Recently, there was a filly born to an extremely exotic well known, well shown and marketed stallion by an equally exotic, beautiful mare after the owner spent over 20K trying to get her in foal. The filly is a massive disappointment as she is overly plain- headed and has absolutely no resemblance to her parents. The owners of said stallion spent huge amounts of money purchasing him, showing him, and now- they are finding he is a horrible producer. A foal is at risk with parents of any age, unless the parents have get that can be analyzed.
    I can rest easy now while Dream is in training as I know he can produce. I'm relieved I won't have to face what the owners of said stallion did.
    The best we can do is make informed decisions about our choices and be prepared to care for the foals in any circumstance.
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        08-22-2013, 11:07 AM
      #94
    Green Broke
    I forgot to mention Donald, I also will not start a horse before 3 or 4 due to their muscular/skeletal development. And then only lightly at first. This is where the time factor invested in a stallion can turn into years before one knows his true breeding potential if one waits to breed. But, if that's another's choice, and they have the time and money to take that gamble, great for them.
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        08-22-2013, 01:16 PM
      #95
    Weanling
    One foal does not a bad producer make. Many stallions and mares just aren't the right choice for each other, there are other factors as well. I've seen people with short necked, straight shouldered foals brag on about their quality, so I usually judge for myself first and then get the pros to judge further.
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        08-22-2013, 01:41 PM
      #96
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    One foal does not a bad producer make. Many stallions and mares just aren't the right choice for each other, there are other factors as well. I've seen people with short necked, straight shouldered foals brag on about their quality, so I usually judge for myself first and then get the pros to judge further.
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    Agreed.. problem is - with the aforementioned case, it wasn't just one.. it was sadly, a pattern.
    Everything has to be evaluated to make the best decision.
    Getting the pros' input in very important. The International Judges opinions and other respected breeders' input have been an immense help to me. Nothing beats an in-person assessment. I recommend it highly.
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        08-22-2013, 01:47 PM
      #97
    Weanling
    As long as they aren't people that are paid to give an assessment. Then you get some 'yes man' answers.
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        08-22-2013, 02:00 PM
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    As long as they aren't people that are paid to give an assessment. Then you get some 'yes man' answers.
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    Couldn't agree with you more. Mine were unsolicited, which gives them more weight in my book. They chose to give opinions after gravitating toward several of the 22 horses on the farm. 3 of mine consistently captured their attention on separate occasions. That in an of itself speaks volumes.
    None of them show my horses and none currently do business with me; I have nothing I want to sell at present. They had no incentive to blow smoke..
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        08-22-2013, 02:12 PM
      #99
    Weanling
    What I was taught was to get opinions from professionals at the top of the game. For me, that wouldn't be people winning at open or local level shows, in Arabs, that would be asking for pros in breed shows and such. I'm not a sport horse fan, I think its good for them to have a venue in which to be shown though.
    For the OP, you plan on marketing him as a barrel sire? Ask the 1D winners who are also bringing along their own prospects, not just the people riding started or made horses. Ask other breeders who have horses doing well and that you like.
    Its ok to some extent to breed for what you like, but if you want to market a stallion, you need to go for what can produce winners and that can be a hard market to crack.
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        08-22-2013, 02:18 PM
      #100
    Yearling
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    You'll get that-- just ignore them. It's better to wait until he's a bit older. When they're babies, it's too hard to judge accurately.
    I see it everywhere aha, Thank You(:
         

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