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post #191 of 196 Old 09-09-2013, 12:17 PM
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This thread was started to ask members what they looked for in a stallion and not as a place for any one person to 'market' their stallions.
It would be more interesting and relevant if it could go back to that.
If you're looking to breed an eventer, a dressage horse, a reiner, a Western Pleasure horse etc your requirements are going to be very different.
In a similar way if you're looking to just produce a good level headed trail horse for the average income market it would be pointless paying a huge sum of money to use a top flight competition sire - so your priorities will be slightly different
In the UK the TB and the Arabian probably are more often used to cross with other breeds like the Irish Draft and native ponies to get refinement or more scope for the show ring and show jumping so people tend to be less interested in what the actual stallion has done in terms of riding but more interested in temperament, conformation and action
Excellent points Jaydee. I also believe there is no ONE way to judge a horse. A variety of factors need to be looked at. The most important factor is what one considers is suitable for them. Most horses will never see the show ring and most buyers are not show-oriented, so an entirely different criteria come into play.
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post #192 of 196 Old 09-09-2013, 12:27 PM
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Excellent points Jaydee. I also believe there is no ONE way to judge a horse. A variety of factors need to be looked at. The most important factor is what one considers is suitable for them. Most horses will never see the show ring and most buyers are not show-oriented, so an entirely different criteria come into play.
So again, I will ask, in hopes of getting an answer...

What is YOUR criteria? What has Dream, a stud that you are currently standing and have foals out of already, with four on the way for 2014 and is in the process of producing more...what has this stud DONE...what is he TRAINED for, that meets your criteria for breeding so much already?

Also, you have booked Psynny already to two outside mares, but he's for sure not trained for anything besides photo-ops, as he's still a baby.

So how did you make the decision to breed these two? Based on their looks and pedigree? These are reasonable questions, that any stud owner should be willing and able to answer, IMO.
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post #193 of 196 Old 09-09-2013, 12:40 PM
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Sorry. I'm just not used to stallion owners saying their horse was the whole package, then not elaborate on why they feel that way.
Heck, when I ask about stallions I see a picture of and want to know more, I often get hours long conversations, even if I know they aren't what I'm looking for in the first sentence, when they mention pedigree.
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I spoke to someone about a potential stud for my mare next year, he is young yet and is still in training, but boy did I get all the info on what his relatives have done, and the plans for his future, what he will be aimed at etc etc. Love it when owners are so forth coming as to their goals.
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post #194 of 196 Old 09-09-2013, 12:45 PM
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I don't understand the logic behind this. Why would people not care what the stallion can actually DO? Can you elaborate more on why this is so?
While many stallions do compete really well under saddle in mixed company there are plenty of good stallions that don't and get too easily distracted by having mares around them. You will find that many stallions in the UK are never competed other than 'in hand' yet they still produce top riding stock and many of the HIS (Hunter Improvement Society - now the Sport Horse Breeding Society) stallions were TB's that had only ever raced. They were/are selected for conformation and paces (how they move) and their ability to deal with situations - eg you look for a horse that's bold and outgoing if you want something to compete.
The UK show ponies all trace back to Arabians and TB's selected for looks, temperament and movement.
A lot of owners will be breeding from a mare that's already proven itself in some way and retired to breeding.
I used several TB racing sires on my mares because their progeny was proof that they were throwing good stock for the competition ring. If a stallion has excellent conformation and the paces to do the job and the right attitude then how well it turns out is really up to the person that trains and rides it.
It doesn't matter how well a stallion has performed under saddle if you use a poor mare you are not going to get a winner and even if you used the best mare in the world there's no guarantee the offspring will perform well if its not trained & ridden correctly or lacks the personality and drive
You'll see much the same in breeding racehorses, I had a son of Nijinsky that was out of very good mare, he was trained on a top yard but could barely be bothered to leave the starting gate in a race.
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post #196 of 196 Old 09-09-2013, 09:46 PM
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Druydess, are you willing to answer my questions as DB has been so graciously? Specifically, what niche are you breeding for? In other words, what are your studs' strengths, that a prospective "stud-shopper" if you will, can evaluate to determine suitability for their individual goals?

If this thread were about Druy's stallion, this would be a very reasonable question to expect an answer to. This thread is about what a person wanting to breed a mare should look for in a stallion. The debate part has to do with whether or not A STALLION , in general, must be trained and ridden (or driven, as the case may be) to be able to be considered as a good candidate for breeding, and not simply valued upon his pedigree and conformation.

The discussion needs to be applicable in a general sense to this question.
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