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        08-20-2013, 10:41 AM
    I guess this is where breeders of race horses have it "easier". A horse that has not proven themselves on the track rarely gets bred, stallion or mare. Also, there are no judges, per se, only the clock. A horse that doesn't take a good mark will not be stood, a mare may be bred if she has good breeding and only an average mark. But breeding a mare with only a time trial mark or that is unraced GREATLY reduces the value of their colts. I have a nice mare that has decent breeding but when she was trained she got down to about 2:20 and was "roaring". This is something that is pretty easy to fix with minor surgery but we had 3 other horses in training, one that had had some vetting, so we decided to stop with her and I broke her to saddle. She will never put a foal on the ground because she did not race and take a mark. I also believe in line breeding, however, I have seen some AQHA pedigrees that, to me, are just scary. I will say that my experience is with standardbreds, not other racing breeds.
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        08-20-2013, 10:42 AM
    Green Broke
    I did not say they were in pain.
    sorry, read it wrong.

    My point was:
    -there are far too many mediocre horses(foals, broodmares and stallions) out there. If I had to guess, I would say at least 75% of stallions standing at studs should never have made it past the yearlings intact.
    -most people do not know how to properly handle a stud, while in hand, being ridden, or even breeding a mare.
    -a FAR higher percentage of stallions will challenge fencing to get at mares or defend their area/herd. That is why, generally speaking, they need higher fencing.
    -I believe stallions need to prove themselves, with pedigree, conformation, temperament and ideally, trainability. The number of stallions around here that are never even started under saddle is ridiculous. I believe if you are breeding for saddle horses, the stallion should at least show an aptitude for it, such as excelling in basic saddle training. I'm not talking about waiting until they have 10 years of training, just seeing how they accept the saddle, bridle and rider, doing basic maneuvers. If you are a responsible breeder who wants to do differently, up to you, but the above is my preference.

    I have know stallions that kids could lead through a herd of in heat mares without batting an eyelash. I have ridden this same stallion(ottb) with 5 mares, 4 of which were in heat, on a trail ride, with him better behaved then most geldings. I have also seen a stallion, housed in a 6' board fenced pasture on one corner of the property, break out of corral by bashing his chest against the boards until they broke, jumping the remaining boards, running across the property before smashing through another 5' 2x6 corral to get at the other stallion. Their corrals were hundreds of feet apart, with a house, barn, and many trees in between.

    I think a properly handle stallion is wonderful, but too many people lack the experience, or even desire to handle one the right way.
        08-20-2013, 11:09 AM
    My thoughts......

    Breed the best to the best, geld the rest.

    Performance - which includes showing and is an EXCELLENT indicator of a horses mental capabilities and physical capabilities (why would you breed something who has the mind of a mole and the soundness of a cardboard crane just because for all outwards appearances they look 'perfect'? There could be something lurking in there that you don't know about)

    What I cannot understand is why people are breeding 'riding' horses out of/by horses who have never been ridden or if so they have been hopeless as a riding prospect so have been sent to be a broody.

    I have a friend who took her stud down to show in the futurity in Oklahoma last year. He had never been advertised as a stud. On paper he was perfect, conformation ally he was perfect.....mentally he was an ass and was deemed not stud quality, he was gelded within a month of arriving home. If she hadn't shown him and just let him jump on mares instead, the offspring more than likely would've been an embarrassment to her. She made the right and responsible choice.
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        08-20-2013, 11:48 AM
    If I were breeding race horses and ability could be judged against a clock I would wait to see if Cassius would do well before breeding.
    Golden Horse if arabians were as few in number as Haflingers I would agree with your point.
    There is too much competition in the arabian world for stallion services to wait half a decade before knowing what he will produce. Plus his foals will also help promote him or tell me to cut my losses.
    Cassius is easy to handle and very calm compared to most of my mares.
    He will be sent to a professional to be trained for either halter or sport horse in hand. That will give me an insight into how well he trains and develops .
    Allow me to assure everyone this is not about making money.
    These horses are a HOBBY. I do not require nor do I expect to make any money.
    It is about time. I am 53, I have been HIV+ for decades and this will be my third bout with cancer.
    Would you wait if you were in my shoes? Shalom Donald
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        08-20-2013, 11:51 AM
    Sorry to hear that Donald. Take care.
        08-20-2013, 11:55 AM
    Db.If horses are a hobby why did you say that they are a business in your last post? Either they're one or the other, if they are strictly a hobby then you ought not breed a yearling.
        08-20-2013, 11:58 AM
    Thanks Muppetgirl.
    Its life and I will go on living.
    I have access to excellent healthcare, two wonderful daughters, and some kind friends on this forum. I will be OK.
    If I post in anger or am too rude please call me out on it.
    There is never any excuse for bad manners. Shalom Donald
        08-20-2013, 12:02 PM
    Very sorry to read of your health issues, that is a lot to fight, and my sympathies and best wishes are with you.

    That aside, I still can't support the breeding of unproven babies, either as a business, or a hobby, and you do seem a little confused as to which you have here. Whatever ones personal situation, putting foals on the ground is a huge responsibility and they deserve the best chance in life.
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        08-20-2013, 12:05 PM
    MsBavin MY HORSES ARE A HOBBY. Plain and simple.
    I do not intend to throw thousands of dollars away promoting, showing training a horse just to spend money.
    I treat it like a business . With contracts, by keeping my word, keeping records of expenses.
    Why don't you focus on positive things.
    Your negativity is very telling and I will not allow you to harass me like you do another member.
    Get a life. You just might learn to focus on your own happiness instead of getting some twisted kick from your childish behavior.
    Until you have something constructive or important to say you do not exist as far as I am concerned.
        08-20-2013, 12:11 PM
    Originally Posted by Golden Horse    
    Very sorry to read of your health issues, that is a lot to fight, and my sympathies and best wishes are with you.

    That aside, I still can't support the breeding of unproven babies, either as a business, or a hobby, and you do seem a little confused as to which you have here. Whatever ones personal situation, putting foals on the ground is a huge responsibility and they deserve the best chance in life.
    Thanks for the support .
    How do you know my horses are not given the best chance in life.
    Most of my horses I bred and have kept for years. Decades most of them. Most will die here.
    They receive excellent care.
    I am not raising ten-twenty foals a year that must be sold to make room for others.
    I am also not focusing my breeding program on one discipline. If I did I might make some money. However every foal that did not live up to my expectations would be a failure.
    I consider any correct foal a success.
    All the fillies have a chance to live their lives here. The colts will be sold to those I approve. Shalom
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