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        08-22-2013, 12:34 AM
      #81
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    Originally Posted by Druydess    
    I think it's somewhat ironic that TB's are raced at 2, nowhere near mature, snapping bones, and ruined for life due to early stress on their joints and bones, and it's just fine..
    But breed a horse, especially one that's younger, and OMG-- those panties bunch up a wad the size of Kansas.
    Wadded panties notwithstanding, whatever decisions breeders make with regard to THEIR horses depends entirely on the horse. Each one has to be assessed individually.
    It's not 'just fine' that Tbs are raced at two, and it is quite worthy of causing 'wadded panties' as you so graciously describe it. It's out in the open, however I've seen plenty of people fry up young and old horses and just dump them. It's not just solely the TB racing industry that does it, it's quite alive and kicking in a lot of industries, even yours (gasp)

    Breeding is an industry based on the ethics and morals of being aware of what you are creating genetically. You are speaking of training in your reference to TBs - whether training happens at two, three or ten years of age has no bearing or relevance on whether or not a breeder chooses to breed a horse at two or five - it's not the breeding horse that gets hurt, it's the potential offspring if the breeder has not done their homework.
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        08-22-2013, 12:37 AM
      #82
    Green Broke
    Exactly! Thanks for making my point!
         
        08-22-2013, 12:48 AM
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    Originally Posted by Druydess    
    Exactly! Thanks for making my point!
    I wasn't making your point, I was stating that you are comparing apples to oranges.

    Comparing racing Tbs at two and breaking them down is not the same as breeding two year olds, which actually IMO carries just as big inherent risk to future offspring, because at TWO one absolutely cannot be certain of what they are breeding. Papers are papers, easy to read and research........a DNA strand split and unravelled not so. Papers also don't say - weak hip, short stubby neck and pencil legs. So unless someone has a crystal ball and can predict the future IMO I'd not risk breeding 'looks good on paper' to 'looks good on paper' until I was certain the animal had performed (as in under saddle at a higher than mediocre level) and remained solid for a few years.

    JMHO.
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        08-22-2013, 12:58 AM
      #84
    Green Broke
    Apples and Oranges? Not really. You certainly did make my point.

    The proof's in the pudding, as they say. Breeding at TEN or FIFTEEN doesn't give certainty to breeding.

    I've got more than paper to look at. :) I have produced exactly what I expected (actually better than I expected) and I'm very happy with the results. I'd do it again in a heartbeat.

    I'm going to go with prepotency, research, observable/desirable traits, breeding/trait patterns in bloodlines and families, and educated decisions.

    But most importantly, I'm going to go by what a stallion can PRODUCE.
         
        08-22-2013, 01:08 AM
      #85
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    I guess this is why I have a deep respect for the success of Germany and their marketing and breeding regulations.
         
        08-22-2013, 01:14 AM
      #86
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    Originally Posted by Muppetgirl    
    I guess this is why I have a deep respect for the success of Germany and their marketing and breeding regulations.
    Ich bin sicher, der ein interessanter Platz sein würde zu leben. Sie haben schöne Araber.

    I'm sure that would be an interesting place to live. They have lovely Arabians.

    I favor the Spanish Arabians for the same reason. It's one of the reasons I have incorporated those lines.
         
        08-22-2013, 01:21 AM
      #87
    Yearling
    Ah, good ol' google translate....


    I think the OP is starting off on the right foot. The want and ability to prove her horse in something other than the fact his testicles work, is giving her a head start in a great direction. I am excited to see how he progresses.
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        08-22-2013, 01:24 AM
      #88
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    Originally Posted by Aesthetic    
    Alright, I might make a critique thread for him in Conformation Critique, I just don't like hearing people say "Would Be A Nice Gelding" before he's done any growing.
    You'll get that-- just ignore them. It's better to wait until he's a bit older. When they're babies, it's too hard to judge accurately.
         
        08-22-2013, 01:30 AM
      #89
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    Originally Posted by Chiilaa    
    Inbreeding doesn't "produce" problems, it can highlight them is all. The problems have to be in the genetic code to start with. Inbreeding doesn't cause mutations, or two headed foals, or anything like that.

    Comparing horses to humans in something like this is like comparing apples and oranges. Horses don't have any sense of "family" - they have a sense of herd, but care nothing for blood relationships.
    Good points!

    For others who'd like to know more, I found this article quite interesting.

    Why Inbreeding
         
        08-22-2013, 09:36 AM
      #90
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    Muppetgirl you always run the risk of passing on faults with any stallion. Especially an unproven one whether at 2 or 5 or 10.
    None of the people I know that breed at 2 do so on a large scale.
    As posted Cassius will cover 3 mares only for the first few years. Not 30.
    Then lets not forget the mares in the equation. They have as much to say about what the foal inherits as the sire. He will cover proven broodmares for his own safety and because I know what they throw.
    Plus Cassius is in a 10 acre pasture bucking kicking running just being a horse without being confined. He hasnt since the day he was born. Before I picked him up he was running with his dam in a herd of 12 horses on 30 acres. If there were faults that were not visible physically we would have seen them by now. If not he could be ridden for years before they show up.
    I will never break a horse to saddle before it is 3 or 4 if it is still developing.
    You make a good point though about the greater risk of breeding a young stallion. What you posted is true. The young horse doing the breeding is not in danger it is the foal produced from the cross that is at risk. Something for the OP and I to consider. Shalom
         

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