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  • I'm el arab SMf dreamcatcher
  • Looking for tall cmk stallion

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    12-13-2012, 04:56 PM
  #101
Green Broke
More pics of Dream's Sire and Grand-Sires!!

Om El Najeeb Dream (sire)



Paternal Grand-sire: SMF Dreamcatcher:



Maternal Grand-sire-

EJ Maestro:

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    12-13-2012, 05:12 PM
  #102
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Originally Posted by Golden Horse    
does it worry you that he is so tall already?
This colt is very solid. His height is an asset.
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    12-13-2012, 05:19 PM
  #103
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Originally Posted by Celeste    
This colt is very solid. His height is an asset.
It's a worry I'm glad I have!! LOL
It's kind of an asset as far as I'm concerned- will be quite useful in the sport-horse arena.

Have you seen Selket's Arabs? The shortest is 16 hands. A gorgeous German-bred Russian/Egyptian is 16.2.

Arabian Horses of Selket Arabians

A 3 year old mare at my barn is now passing 15.3, and was 15.2 as a 2 year old. She's booked to Mirage V this spring. Guess there's no issues anyone is worried about.
     
    12-13-2012, 05:40 PM
  #104
Green Broke
Here's a great video of El Shaklan. Dream carries 2 lines to this immortal stallion. El Shaklan is known for his prepotency, which certainly is evident when one knows the Spanish traits that were selectively bred for over the years. This lineage has indelibly left its mark.


*El Shaklan has become a household name in the world of the Arabian horse. His influence spans the globe. His name is found in pedigrees of horses in every country that Arabians are bred in the world and in show winners at every show in the world. He has not only influenced horses through his genotype it is through his phenotype that we can see *El Shaklan, 35 years after his birth, in horses everywhere. He created a distinct look that is unmistakably “El Shaklan.” He and his dam *Estopa are the cornerstone of the Om El Arab breeding program and many successful breeding programs around the world.

*El Shaklan :: Om El Arab International

Estopa:
*Estopa :: Om El Arab International
     
    12-13-2012, 05:48 PM
  #105
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Originally Posted by Celeste    
This colt is very solid. His height is an asset.
Well thank you for your opinion, but again with utmost respect I was hoping that the OP may answer all of my questions.

Your opinion that his height is an asset it that, an opinion.

With Haflingers, the standard always called for them being chunky little monsters, around the 14.2hh mark and SOLID. We are now seeing solid Haffies around the 15.2 hh mark, and also smaller Haffies that are looking finer than Arabs in their structure, both things that I lament in that breed.

With Arabians, I don't know what different places call for, but one Google search gives me
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The breed standard for Arabian horses, as stated by the United States Equestrian Federation, describes the Arabians as standing between 14.1 and 15.1 hands (57 to 61 inches (145 to 155 cm)) tall, "with the occasional individual over or under." Thus, all Arabians, regardless of height, are classified as "horses," even though 14.2 hands (58 inches (147 cm)) is the traditional cutoff height between a horse and a pony. A common myth is that Arabians are not strong because of their size. However, the Arabian horse is noted for a greater density of bone than other breeds, short cannons, sound feet, and a broad, short back; all of which give the breed physical strength comparable to many taller animals. Clearly, for tasks where the sheer weight of the horse matters, such as farm work done by a draft horse, or team roping, any lighter-weight horse is at a disadvantage, but for most purposes, the Arabian is a strong and hardy breed of light horse able to carry any type of rider in most equestrian pursuits
As I understand it the purpose of the Arab was to be a small horse that can carry an adult all day. I was just wondering from the OP's point of view as a breeder if she is going to go away from standard and breed a bigger Arab, or what the thought is.

While a mourn the loss of the traditional shape and size of the Haflinger, because I'm not so much into Arab breeding, when I was looking to buy one, I would have liked to find a bigger option, Ace at 15 hh and Emmy at a little over are just an inch or two short for me, I wouldn't change them now, but I'm interested in the thinking of another breeder when looking at their own goals compared to breed standards.
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    12-13-2012, 06:01 PM
  #106
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I love him, fabulous refined head but with no loss to good build - deep chested and good limbs, well proportioned to his body - no matchstick legs, also a good length of back - extreme short backed arabians don't make for the best rides
Ridden show Arabians in the UK have got bigger over the years but its not been at a loss to type and substance, if anything they are a much sturdier animal now and more like the old Crabbett horses. The small ones will carry a man but when the riders legs are hanging too much below the girth it doesnt look good in the showring especially and that can count a lot in the overall appearance so makes them more of a choice for any height rider
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    12-13-2012, 08:16 PM
  #107
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RM-- if you'd like to discuss your questions, feel free to PM me.
     
    12-13-2012, 08:22 PM
  #108
Green Broke
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Originally Posted by jaydee    
I love him, fabulous refined head but with no loss to good build - deep chested and good limbs, well proportioned to his body - no matchstick legs, also a good length of back - extreme short backed arabians don't make for the best rides
Ridden show Arabians in the UK have got bigger over the years but its not been at a loss to type and substance, if anything they are a much sturdier animal now and more like the old Crabbett horses. The small ones will carry a man but when the riders legs are hanging too much below the girth it doesnt look good in the showring especially and that can count a lot in the overall appearance so makes them more of a choice for any height rider
Nice summation jaydee; I agree.

Great to have input from someone who has experienced the evolution of the Arabian, especially in other countries, as the US and Europe tend to have different ideals and goals. I am overjoyed that the breed is coming back to the solid Crabbet types, as that's what's in my barn, and what I like personally.
My elder colt, Gold N Psynn-psyation is high Crabbet- and is huge at 7 months. His Dam is 15.2. I expect he'll be at least 15.3 if he continues as he has been and grows into his stilt-like legs. He was never specifically bred for size, but I am very happy he has it. The Crabbet/CMK blood was foremost in his breeding. His sire, Golden Ecstasy, is 89.97% CMK.
     
    12-13-2012, 09:12 PM
  #109
Green Broke
Here's an excerpt about Estopa from the founder of Om El Arab and her observations of the prepotency of this line, which may very well have come from the Dam, who was larger than normal, and exotically beautiful:

The result of that breeding arrived in August of 1975. *Estopa delivered her first colt. His face was delicate and fine, as pretty as Estawa’s, like a filly’s face. I was in awe of this colt; he was the most beautiful colt I had ever seen. *Estopa had created another masterpiece. I named this colt *El Shaklan, taking the “E” from * Estopa and the “Shak” from Shaker El Masri. What had become apparent was *Estopa’s ability to out-produce herself. Her combination with Shaker El Masri produced sheer magic. *Estopa was a big mare for her time and stood 154 cm (15-1+). She was a little long in her back. *Estopa’s face, like the Mona Lisa, was arresting, enchanting and seductive. Her eyes were large and round and soft black. Her character was a contradiction of terms. She could have, at times, the nature of a nurturing babysitter or the fierce demeanor of a warrior. *Estopa was very people oriented and loved being the center of attention. Shaker El Masri was much smaller, finer boned, and somewhat standoffish. The combination of these two different individuals produced offspring that were taller than both, more exotic than either, with shorter backs and longer hips. It is my belief that *Estopa was the dominant parent, with Shaker El Masri adding refinement and his dose of fiery character. Together, *Estopa and Shaker El Masri produced a new dimension of Arabian horse for Europe, a dimension that had previously only danced on the pages of books of artists or were frozen in bronzed animation on coffee tables.

I look forward to seeing what these Spanish lines will add to my Spanish mares.. ;)
     
    12-13-2012, 11:37 PM
  #110
Green Broke
Completely off topic, but I just watched this amazing movie on people who adopt Mustangs to give them the chance for a good home, highlighting their challenges and obstacles in 100 days time. Quite inspirational and a bit of a tearjerker in the end.
If anyone else would like to watch, here's the info:

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Just an FYI for those interested.
     

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