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    12-15-2012, 11:26 PM
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Okay so you can no longer get a horse directly from Spain? Tell me it ain't so!
     
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    12-16-2012, 10:53 AM
  #142
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Originally Posted by BBBCrone    
Okay so you can no longer get a horse directly from Spain? Tell me it ain't so!
No, today it's perfectly possible. For much of Spain's history, the military orchestrated the buying and breeding of Arabians, which is the very thing responsible for objective, selective breeding of a very high standard. No barn-blindness and stringent rejection of any horse not meeting their standards. They controlled all imports or exports. Interestingly, they bought a considerable number from Lady Wentworth, (Lady Blunt's daughter) resulting in a high percentage of Spanish horses actually being Crabbet-bred.
     
    12-16-2012, 11:30 AM
  #143
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This explains the systematic evolution of the Spanish Arabian:

From the book Great Stud Farms of the World (Monique And Hans Dossenback, Hans Joachin Kohler, 1977, William Merrow and Co., Inc., forward by HRH Prince Phillip, Duke of Edinburgh) about the Military State Stud of Spain, it says, "The influence of the Military Stud on Arabian horses breeding in Spain began to make itself felt soon after the turn of the century. Right from the start the work was organized systematically and scientifically, with the aim of producing purebred animals for the State Stallion depot where private breeders could send their mares to be covered.....with the pure Arab breed they achieved success right from the start. Breeding began with a foundation stock of mares and stallions, most of excellent quality. Almost all the Arabs at present standing at the Yeguada Militar are extremely beautiful. Their high quality is attributable not only to their noble origin, to expert selection and careful rearing, but also to the favorable ecological conditions in the south of Spain."

From the Arabian Horse Times May 1995 article "Welcome to the Return of the Spanish Arabian Horse" by Kristian Fenaux, Page 355, "Pure Spanish - with their pool of original pure Arabian blood, a mixture of desert and all European strains, the Spanish Arabian grew up and acquired his own identity. After 1934 and until very recently, there were no new significant imports. These special circumstances in Spain, of breeding within a closed and limited gene pool, produced a very special Arabian horse, homozygous in almost all genetic qualities. The high quality of the foundation material and ruthless selection for generation and generations, keeping only those horses of outstanding merit and quality (both physical and mental) for breeding, has produced what we call the pure Spanish Arabian. Between 1930 and 1970, Arabian horses were bred because good horses were important, mainly for Military and agriculture needs. (Editor's note: Spain has only recently joined the European Economic Community(EEC). Through the 70's and into the 80's, on our many trips to Spain we saw in the beginning, really no tractors, but many horses (and work mules) working, pulling carts of produce even into Madrid amongst the busy motor car traffic, or being ridden beside the roads) "The Spanish Arabian is a genuine product of Spain". Here, until just recently, horses were really a significant part of everyday life. The need for strong, reliable, good minded and stable horse was a must for many activities and purebred Arabians were among the most valued assets.

http://www.barcino147.com/articles/f...07_16_5502.php
     
    12-16-2012, 11:36 AM
  #144
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The meticulousness of Spanish breeders:

From "The Arab Horse in Spain", by Maria Pat Murga Igual (re: Duque de Veragua), "There are many anecdotes about his fastidiousness as a breeder. One of my favorites is, when he invited a party of horse friends to spend the day at his farm and asked them if they could find the reason why he had chosen one colt instead of another as a future stallion.....They were at it for hours on end, looking the horses over, having them paraded slowly or letting them run loose... In the end they gave up. The colts were exactly alike. No, the Duque said, there was a difference. One had six millimeters more width between the eyes. "

Spanish Arabians tend to produce size according to history and one of the traits dream apparently inherited, as well as a remarkable disposition, great topline, strong hip, and elegant head.

From "The Spanish Significance" by S. Gordon Shreffler. "They have superb top lines and powerful hindquarters, and remarkable trainable and cooperative dispositions. They tend to produce size, and many, though not all, of the most prominent imported Spanish stallion are actually 15 hands or a little more. All Arabian horses have one region of origin. The significance of the Spanish Arabians ancestry is the selection process that gave strong importance to good dispositions. Mares that rejected or savaged foals or even were disruptive in the mare band, as well as untrainable, obstreperous stallions, were rigorously culled from the gene stream. After all, these horses would be military mounts or working horses - they had to be reliable under difficult conditions.
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    12-17-2012, 05:16 PM
  #145
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History and horses! My two favorite subjects to read and talk about!
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    12-17-2012, 06:38 PM
  #146
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Thank you Tazzie!! We shall probably have some candidates for you soon..

Just kidding..sorta..
Oh how I wish!! Another horse for me is YEARS in the future! They have to wait for buying a farm and finding my husband a horse before I'm allowed another one LOL
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    12-17-2012, 06:46 PM
  #147
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Dream's GGGrandfather, Sanadik El Shaklan, a prime example of the consistency of Spanish breeding:
http://www.allbreedpedigree.com/sanadik+el+shaklan

Though there were many mature and successful sons of *El Shaklan available, Om El Arab International placed all their hopes and dreams for their future on an exotic but relatively unknown grey four-year-old stallion. In 1987 *Sanadik El Shaklan moved into the big empty stall that had once housed *El Shaklan. *Sanadik was tall and exotic like his sire, but he was more finely made and very elegant. Like his sire, Sanadik’s pedigree was an equal blend of Egyptian and Spanish bloodlines: the Golden Cross.





The enduring qualities about *Sanadik for those who knew him was not his abilities as a sire, it was his charming easy character and affectionate personality. But at times, *Sanadik could be all macho. When we would show the stallions to visitors we would start with the youngest and end with *Sanadik, our oldest. We bring the stallions into the mare barn so that they can show off their qualities and personalities themselves. The young stallions would parade into the barn arching and strutting. The visitors admired them. Then it was *Sanadik’s turn. He knew we saved the best for last. As he walked to the mare barn he grew tall and grand and commanding, neck arching and tail carried high and proud. In a nicker powerful and deep he talked to the mares in a way that proclaimed I am King. His regal presence and extraordinary type brought tears to visitor’s eyes. Yet *Sanadik was truly sweet, kind and affectionate. He loved interacting with all people. He would stop eating and walk over for a scratch or nuzzle. He loved carrots more that anything. In his younger years *Sanadik would spend hours on frequent journeys into the mountains around the farm. He was sure-footed, nimble and powerful as he climbed the narrow steep trails or crossed rocky creek beds.






http://www.omelarab.com/horses/sanadik-el-shaklan

Dream's Sire:

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    12-17-2012, 09:36 PM
  #148
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Oh how I wish!! Another horse for me is YEARS in the future! They have to wait for buying a farm and finding my husband a horse before I'm allowed another one LOL
Well-- it'll be years before ours are big enough to ride..LOL
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    12-18-2012, 09:01 AM
  #149
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The build on these horses just blows me away. Interesting you mention the non spookiness as the one I had and another that I worked with and showed under saddle for the owner were not at all high strung or spooky - high geared yes, lots of energy but that's not the same thing
If it wasnt for the US style of ridden showing that seems to want them to have the high knee action - encouraged with the long hooves and built up shoes I would have another but I think it detracts from the horses wonderful natural long flowing stride
     
    12-18-2012, 02:50 PM
  #150
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Originally Posted by jaydee    
The build on these horses just blows me away. Interesting you mention the non spookiness as the one I had and another that I worked with and showed under saddle for the owner were not at all high strung or spooky - high geared yes, lots of energy but that's not the same thing
If it wasnt for the US style of ridden showing that seems to want them to have the high knee action - encouraged with the long hooves and built up shoes I would have another but I think it detracts from the horses wonderful natural long flowing stride
It's amazing, isn't it? One can definitely notice a difference.

Training makes quite a bit of difference as far as spookiness goes, but some are just bred to be level-headed. None of mine are spooky as a rule, all may have their moments under the right circumstance, but every horse I have is required to have a brain and trust in its human. None of my horses have ever been mean or have hurt anyone. Unfortunately, the way some people breed for a name or a head, many times it just breeds schizoid behaviors. I don't care how pretty it might be, if it isn't tractable and trainable, I won't breed to it for free. Have a few free breedings to a few big names and I won't use them for that reason.
As far as action goes, some of us like the smooth, flowing gaits. My mare DS Magic's Royalty has the most beautiful, flowing strides..just floats along.. she's the one we're showing and she's cleaning house. You'd probably like her..
First show out she placed first, beating a national top 10 mare and a regional top 5 stallion.



Her quick mind smooth movement has made me very proud of her!!

She went on to win multiple Blues and 2 Reserve Championships at several Class A shows in Florida.
She also received High Points Award.
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