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post #221 of 240 Old 03-13-2014, 02:06 AM Thread Starter
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Sam is finally fat and sassy. Has been that way for months now. I discovered this feed that is complete and you can feed it free choice called the ONE AND ONLY made by a feed mill here in Texas. Those last 50-75 pounds he needed suddenly appeared.
I hope to have pictures taken soon. He needs to shed first and I will bathe him. Star too. He hasnt been bathed in the 3 years I have owned him
I don't advertise him here on the forum so I am not worried about conformation pics but I do want him to look good.
If anyone wants to breed to Sam or Star they need to see him in person.
I cannot understand anyone making a decision to breed without first seeing a stallion or what he has sired.
Sharpie I am looking closely at my herd of mares for something that might interest you. Sam is race bred and should sire some good endurance prospects. Shalom
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post #222 of 240 Old 03-13-2014, 11:38 AM
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Sam's breeding career here is now underway. He covered a pure polish mare that is a granddaughter of Bask Flame with numerous other lines to Bask in her pedigree.
She is used as an endurance mount and for cattle work.
She is well muscled and 15.2 HH. I am looking forward to seeing the results of this cross.
I am thinking of breeding Sam to a TB mare and a Daughter of Bask Flame this year. Or one of my pure polish mares for a sport horse prospect.
The daughter of Bask Flame produced such an outstanding filly with Star I am inclined to breed her back to him. Shalom
Dave ~ is this the Bask Flame that the mare(s) are daughter and granddaughter to??
Bask Flame Arabian

I ask as he is A LOT Polish however is not Pure Polish as his great granddam Countess of Lasma comes from old CMK (Crabbet/Maybesboro/Kellogg) breeding. The Polish/Crabbet (CMK) cross was done so successfully by Lasma all those years ago creating beautiful athletes!!! Can hardly wait to see your photos of your boy, his harem and his kiddos when they arrive

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Dave ~ is this the Bask Flame that the mare(s) are daughter and granddaughter to??
Bask Flame Arabian

I ask as he is A LOT Polish however is not Pure Polish as his great granddam Countess of Lasma comes from old CMK (Crabbet/Maybesboro/Kellogg) breeding. The Polish/Crabbet (CMK) cross was done so successfully by Lasma all those years ago creating beautiful athletes!!! Can hardly wait to see your photos of your boy, his harem and his kiddos when they arrive

Denise Gainey
that's him. I am not as knwledgable on CMK lines. All these years I thought mt program was polish. Thanks for the info. Denise Shalom Donald
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Thats him. I am not as knwledgable on CMK lines. All these years I thought mt program was polish. Thanks for the info. Denise Shalom Donald

You have mostly Polish lines with a nice blend of Crabbet related individuals Again, makes for beautiful athletes!!!!

Here is *Count Dorsaz (Rissalix x Shamnar)




Bazy Tankersly of Al-Marah Arabians used him heavily in her program

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Here is a great site to gather information on the CMK horses within your program. Shoot me a message if you like to discuss further ;) Will be glad to help in any way I can!

The original Crabbet/Maynesboro/Kellogg mare families

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You have mostly Polish lines with a nice blend of Crabbet related individuals Again, makes for beautiful athletes!!!!

Here is *Count Dorsaz (Rissalix x Shamnar)




Bazy Tankersly of Al-Marah Arabians used him heavily in her program

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This is the type of arabian I breed Denise.
I think the breeders of the mares I purchased were more interested in the sale than being honest with me about how pure those polish mare were.
I tend to take people at their word and if they only knew I was going to purchase the mares if they were pure polish or not maybe they would have been honest. Or like me they might have been ignorant of the bloodlines.
Thanks for the information and the link was very informative.
My herd is looking more and more diverse...and that is a good thing.
When I started breeding arabians the Polish lines were very much in demand. Bask was still alive and his sons and daughters were winning everything there was to win. Therefore I based my breeding program on him and bred or bought mares descended from that great stallion. One of the reasons I own
Sam is because he would be an outcross to those mares. Stars egyptian lines also provided outside blood. I will PM you later. Shalom Donald
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You have mostly Polish lines with a nice blend of Crabbet related individuals Again, makes for beautiful athletes!!!!

Here is *Count Dorsaz (Rissalix x Shamnar)




Bazy Tankersly of Al-Marah Arabians used him heavily in her program

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This is the type of arabian I breed Denise.
I think the breeders of the mares I purchased were more interested in the sale than being honest with me about how pure those polish mare were.
I tend to take people at their word and if they only knew I was going to purchase the mares if they were pure polish or not maybe they would have been honest. Or like me they might have been ignorant of the bloodlines.
Thanks for the information and the link was very informative.
My herd is looking more and more diverse...and that is a good thing.
When I started breeding arabians the Polish lines were very much in demand. Bask was still alive and his sons and daughters were winning everything there was to win. Therefore I based my breeding program on him and bred or bought mares descended from that great stallion. One of the reasons I own
Sam is because he would be an outcross to those mares. Stars egyptian lines also provided outside blood. I will PM you later. Shalom Donald
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This is the type of arabian I breed Denise.
I think the breeders of the mares I purchased were more interested in the sale than being honest with me about how pure those polish mare were.
I tend to take people at their word and if they only knew I was going to purchase the mares if they were pure polish or not maybe they would have been honest. Or like me they might have been ignorant of the bloodlines.
Thanks for the information and the link was very informative.
My herd is looking more and more diverse...and that is a good thing.
When I started breeding arabians the Polish lines were very much in demand. Bask was still alive and his sons and daughters were winning everything there was to win. Therefore I based my breeding program on him and bred or bought mares descended from that great stallion. One of the reasons I own
Sam is because he would be an outcross to those mares. Stars egyptian lines also provided outside blood. I will PM you later. Shalom Donald
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Donald, as someone who use to breed nothing but Pure Polish or the Russian/Polish crosses I can honestly say that it is in the best interest of most breeding programs to not lock themselves into solely preservation breeding or Straight this/Pure That. If you were to research ANY of the Purebred Arabians, regardless of their heritage claim, you will find they truly all do in fact come from one place Different regions/locations did create strain breeding and thus there are different characteristics to some degree in those from different areas. Not much different than the QH breed lines that are halter lines/reiners/cutting horses/jumpers (yes there are QH jumpers) etc.

Do not beat yourself up for not knowing. This breeding thing takes years and years of study and research that is never ending Breeding good quality, sane minded, sound horses that will advance the breed/individual can never hurt!!! Regardless of their specific ancestry heritage....And to me, you are using solid individuals that will do just that!!!

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Donald, as someone who use to breed nothing but Pure Polish or the Russian/Polish crosses I can honestly say that it is in the best interest of most breeding programs to not lock themselves into solely preservation breeding or Straight this/Pure That. If you were to research ANY of the Purebred Arabians, regardless of their heritage claim, you will find they truly all do in fact come from one place Different regions/locations did create strain breeding and thus there are different characteristics to some degree in those from different areas. Not much different than the QH breed lines that are halter lines/reiners/cutting horses/jumpers (yes there are QH jumpers) etc.

Do not beat yourself up for not knowing. This breeding thing takes years and years of study and research that is never ending Breeding good quality, sane minded, sound horses that will advance the breed/individual can never hurt!!! Regardless of their specific ancestry heritage....And to me, you are using solid individuals that will do just that!!!

Denise Gainey
I agree Denise. An arabian is an arabian no matter what region they are from. I have always known this but after owning my own daughter Polish arabians I wanted to breed more just like them.
Lately I have purchased or been gifted mares that have Crabbet, Russian, Spainich and Egyptian bloodlines. Shalom
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Lately I have purchased or been gifted mares that have Crabbet, Russian, Spainich and Egyptian bloodlines. Shalom
Time to get my eyes checked again... I read that as spinich. I drool over both of your pics and miss my Quarab mare each and every time.
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