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post #41 of 55 Old 02-25-2013, 10:27 AM
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I'm not a fan of embryo transfer, I really think it diminishes the value of a bloodline and the resulting off spring. Say this mare had 15 foals. With embryo transfer she could easily tripple that.

Its unfortunate she is having such trouble, but with each foal being worth so much she will likely be bred again.

these high end thoroughbred brood mares are some of the best cared for, and I'm sure she is receiving the best vet care humanly possible.
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I'm not a fan of embryo transfer, I really think it diminishes the value of a bloodline and the resulting off spring. Say this mare had 15 foals. With embryo transfer she could easily tripple that.
I don't get this logic. The top stallions are putting upwards of 600 foals on the ground in their careers. It's not diminishing their value. The mares are providing more genetic diversity.
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I personally don't feel that requiring the mare to carry her own foal is a bad thing - it ensures that the mare is properly cared for throughout her pregnancy and when the foal hits the ground. How many of the average broodmares out there would be shifted to the back the property and barely looked at if they weren't going to carry their own foal? Mares receive good feed, vitamins and proper vet care - do we all think this would continue otherwise?.
Any surrogate mare is going to receive top notch care. You are not going to go into ET without the best of everything to ensure that you reap your financial goal with this pregnancy. You are only going to use proven mares so you are eliminating most of the potential risk factors that happens more often with high end maiden mares. You are going to virtually eliminate the nurse mare industry as the surrogates are more suited to raising the foals. Mares such as RA are never going to be shuffled off to the back pasture.
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Any surrogate mare is going to receive top notch care. You are not going to go into ET without the best of everything to ensure that you reap your financial goal with this pregnancy. You are only going to use proven mares so you are eliminating most of the potential risk factors that happens more often with high end maiden mares. You are going to virtually eliminate the nurse mare industry as the surrogates are more suited to raising the foals. Mares such as RA are never going to be shuffled off to the back pasture.
I didn't say anything about the level of care of a surrogate mare, my comments were about the TBs. Yes, mares such as Rachel will receive top notch care - but for every one Rachel, there are thousands of everyday, average TB broodmares that would possibly be shoved out to the side and not receive the proper care.

I don't feel you would eliminate the nurse mare industry - will always be a need for nurse mares because we will never elimate the risk of losing any mare, of any age/breed/side, ect.

Stop for a minute, open your mind, learn. You may not agree with what I say, I may not agree with what you say but we will both learn something new.
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I don't get this logic. The top stallions are putting upwards of 600 foals on the ground in their careers. It's not diminishing their value. The mares are providing more genetic diversity.
I dont agree with the stallions having dozens of offspring world wide every year using AI either, but to each their own.
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There are thousands of jobs and many farms that only exist to provide care for those TB broodmares and their foals.
Embryo transfer does lessen the value of a broodmare.
Rachel Alexandria and Zenyatta both are expected to only have so many foals. That increases their and their foals value immensely..
10 - 12 foals from each mare instead of 20-30 ensures those 10 foals are valuable even if they never race. Shalom
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I think one of the pros to embryo transfer is that you could get nurse mares carrying better quality foals. Right now, farms put mares into foal with whatever as long as its living thats what matter. Which creates some less then quality horses and results in young horses without much hope of finding a home. If those foals had value they would have a better chance of finding a home. Some will say that then the nurse mare would not be separated from the foal which is a possibility.

The thing about embryo transfer is that its so expensive right now. If your horse is not worth a certain dollar amount you are probably not going to embryo transfer on it. Which after you have spent as much as embryo costs you are going to make sure that mare and foal is well cared for.
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Embryo transfer will no doubt be limited to very valuable animals. I think that it would be a good thing in any breed to allow an exceptionally valuable mare to produce more than one foal a year. This is not going to increase the population of mediocre foals. It will only increase the population of good foals due to the expense of the procedure. This means that the breed will improve.

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Embryo transfer will no doubt be limited to very valuable animals. I think that it would be a good thing in any breed to allow an exceptionally valuable mare to produce more than one foal a year. This is not going to increase the population of mediocre foals. It will only increase the population of good foals due to the expense of the procedure. This means that the breed will improve.
Not even taking multiple births into consideration, allowing ET gives the breed the ability to reproduce a mare with valuable genetics who could otherwise not carry a foal to term. You have to verify parentage on any ET foal in the breeds that allow it. The JC require DNA testing on every foal eligible for registration now. What are they afraid of? I think RA will at least get them talking but nothing is going to change.
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I dont agree with the stallions having dozens of offspring world wide every year using AI either, but to each their own.
The top stallion in #s of covered mare for 2011 covered over 200 mares. Why take the chances with your multi million dollar syndicated stallion by requiring live cover?
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