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post #11 of 104 Old 07-10-2014, 09:31 PM
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Newb question..... Was is N/h mean?
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post #12 of 104 Old 07-10-2014, 09:33 PM
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Newb question..... Was is N/h mean?
Heterozygous for the HYPP gene. https://www.vgl.ucdavis.edu/services/hypp.php

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post #13 of 104 Old 07-11-2014, 02:26 AM
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Ow... Their legs make my head hurt.... Geld them and geld them FAST!
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post #14 of 104 Old 07-11-2014, 04:02 AM
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Another newb over here, why is N/H bad? Does it mean the foal will have this problem, or is very likley to get it? The website confused me a little.

As for the stallions, none of them look good to me. I may. Ot know much about horse confo but the first ones butt does not look good. Something about the second ones butt I don't like. Third one, idk, just don't like him.

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when breeding an N/H horse to an N/N horse, the foal has a 50% chance of getting the genetic disease. An N/H horse with HYPP can have symptoms ranging from small muscle tremors, to full blown attacks where their entire body is seizing. Some horses will dunk their head in water to try to find some relief (From sudden rise in temperature, or just pain I don't know). These attacks if severe enough, can lead to death. HYPP horses require a special diet that helps them from having these attacks. Not every N/H horse will show symptoms, but it's horrible for the ones that do.

That was pretty much my version of a general description. To find out more information, you can Google HYPP and a whole load of sources will pop up. PSSM is also a good one to have knowledge of, as that's becoming more and more prevalent in breeding stock horses. PSSM causes 'tying up' and some lameness issues. I would want to know the full 5 panel test results for all these horses (For me, if I was ever to breed, both mare and stallion would have to be genetically clear on the 5 panel. )
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post #16 of 104 Old 07-11-2014, 11:33 AM
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I thought that all N/H horses were no long allowed to breed? I thought they placed a rule within the APHA and AQHA registry where if a horse was found to be N/H they are not allowed to breed. An if they do, their babies are not eligible for registry.

Or was this just a really good dream I had?
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I believe that's H/H horses. Not sure what their new rules are though if they changed that.

AphC has no rules like that though (except the H/H one I think), and AphC mares can cross-out to QH stallions as long as the mare has regular papers. There's a lot of Impressive in modern day AphC halter horses.

For those who were asking about HYPP earlier, Impressive is the stallion that HYPP was traced to. All Impressive bred horses should be tested for their HYPP status IMO. Now that its under the limelight more, a good amount of people know to ask. Some halter breeders still don't care, they want the muscle that is believed to be associated with HYPP.

I do want to add HYPP does not skip generations. If the Mare and Stallion were N/N, the baby will be too.

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Yipe. Geld them all. Ick ick ick.

Then again I think 99% of halter horses of all breeds shouldn't be bred from... results in the show ring mean nothing to me unless they're in a rigorous performance discipline. For me, eventing and showjumping are everything. If my breeding stock doesn't excel in my chosen discipline, what am I doing considering breeding it?

For you, your chosen discipline might be cutting, or roping, or reining. Please don't tell me it's halter, that's not a discipline, that's standing around looking pretty and some of them even fail at doing THAT! Or maybe you just want a good ranch horse, in which case who CARES about papers, good ranch horses are good ranch horses regardless of whether or not they're registered.

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I believe that's H/H horses. Not sure what their new rules are though if they changed that.

AphC has no rules like that though (except the H/H one I think), and AphC mares can cross-out to QH stallions as long as the mare has regular papers. There's a lot of Impressive in modern day AphC halter horses.

For those who were asking about HYPP earlier, Impressive is the stallion that HYPP was traced to. All Impressive bred horses should be tested for their HYPP status IMO. Now that its under the limelight more, a good amount of people know to ask. Some halter breeders still don't care, they want the muscle that is believed to be associated with HYPP.

I do want to add HYPP does not skip generations. If the Mare and Stallion were N/N, the baby will be too.
I know there was atleast talk of banning breeding of all N/H horses within the AQHA and APHA. However this created a huge uproar because a big chunk of the top halter horses are N/H.
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Yeah. Halter breeders and those who show halter (Some, not all) are still looking for the N/H for more muscle.

AphC seems to follow what AQHA does a year or two after they do it, so we'll see. I think I heard a rumor that AQHA was going to require all stallions breeding in 2015 to have a 5 panel tested and listed.. or something to that extent. I think I read it somewhere on the forum (maybe even this thread, but I am too lazy to go back and check)
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