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        01-26-2014, 11:01 AM
    The only thing a broodmare or stallion has to "prove" to me is that they can produce a QUALITY foal.
    Their show records or earnings mean nothing unless they can reproduce a foal that is as good or better than the sire or dam.
    So as far as I am concerned a proven broodmare is not one that can just reproduce but that can throw a good sound foal that is marketable.
    My friend dremacacther arabians gave me two mares one that is proven as a broodmare because she has produced great foals and the other a maiden.
    The maidens get three tries to produce a qood foal if they fail 2 out of three times they are gone. I might cull them if they produce one substandard foal. Shalom
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        01-26-2014, 02:56 PM
    Proven to me means both parents have "proven" themselves as successful performers and their offspring have done the same.
        01-26-2014, 03:12 PM
    "Proven" to me means that the stud (or dam) is good at their job; whether it's show, trail, etc, etc. I don't care if that job is giving pony rides at the fair, if they're the best there is than that's 'proven' enough. (This is assuming that they also have several live and healthy foals, and most go on to be good at their jobs.)
        01-26-2014, 05:38 PM
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    A 'proven' horse, be it a mare or stallion, has either won at competitions or work and/or has produced foals that have gone on to do well in whatever sphere was chosen for them
        01-26-2014, 06:18 PM
    ^I couldn't have said it better myself.

    Of course, it can probably mean different things depending on the context.
        01-27-2014, 10:55 AM
    Green Broke
    A 'proven' horse, be it a mare or stallion, has either won at competitions or work and/or has produced foals that have gone on to do well in whatever sphere was chosen for them
    I think for many people a proven broodmare or stallion is one who has reproduced successfully.

    To me it is a stallion or mare that has offspring as good or better than themselves, repeatedly.

    This is just in the reproductive context. If you were talking about the whole animal being 'proven', they would have to prove themselves in the show ring, as well as the breeding shed. For example my BO's old mare. Successful on the track, excellent mountain horse, winning endurance horse, and every foal is as good or better than her self.

    To me a stallion or broodmare doesn't necessarily have to prove themselves in the show ring, if their offspring are truly exceptional. For example a stallion I used to work with. Amazing temperament and breeding, was injured in the pasture as a yearling and couldn't stay sound on the track long enough to race, so was retired to breed. Every foal was spectacular, he had several thoroughbred foals that not only raced successfully, but went on to be excellent saddle horses, a andalusian cross that excelled at dressage, several draft crosses that went on to pull carriages and event, and others. Every foal was useful, good tempered, and as good or better than himself. He was a proven stallion.
        01-27-2014, 11:03 AM
    Midnight Star my black stallion has never set foot in a showring but has sired some very nice horses. That is all the "proof" I need
    My other stallion Rushin Sam won his first race by 13 lengths.
    Star has proven to be a successful sire Sam is proven on the track yet doesnt have enough offspring for me to claim he has proven himself as a sire.
    Sam has the chance in the next two years. Shalom
        01-27-2014, 05:42 PM
    Green Broke
    I would consider my mare Skye to have been proven. She produced two foals who went on to be top five or top ten multiple times at the Appaloosa World Show. One of them has 700 points in mostly Halter and Showmanship, the other has close to 400 points in Hunter Under Saddle and Showmanship. She herself had never had a show career, just used as a broodmare. I am a stickler for believing that a mare or stallion needs to have a show record and be an exceptional specimen to be breeding worth, but I was considering breeding Skye (who I believed was an exceptional specimen) this past year because she had proven to produce exceptional show horses.

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