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The Rare/Elusive APHA Stallion

5K views 31 replies 12 participants last post by  paintedpastures 
#1 ·
Ok so I may be looking for a stallion in the forever away future but like to think about it and have all the details about everything before I make a decision. I usually end up buying a 4-8 month old foal and raising and training since then you know what your getting. But just for future reference I am just wondering there are any good all around APHA Stallions?

Requirements!!

1. Good Conformation.

2. Needs to have a job(s) and be good at it! Like Reining, Cutting, competitive trail, driving, anything that requires a good brain and athletics. No Halter studs.

3. Nice pedigree

4. N/N on the 5 panel test.

5. Testimonials are a plus but not a requirement.

This is one guy that I like a ton but still gotta gather more intel!
The Big Sensation

He does just about everything and looks good doing it!! LOVE IT!

Bring them on :D
 
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#7 ·
What's OWLG? If you mean lethal white that is not at all a reason to rule out the horse unless the mare you are breeding is also a carrier.

There is NO harm in the horse being N/O. It's merely a matter of not breeding N/O to N/O. Definitely something to keep in mind but not at all a reason to rule out a horse unless of course the mare carries it. It's a color not a disease.
 
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Whether I would avoid The Big Sensation would depend on if my mare was also an OLWS carrier and/or N/H for Herda. If your mare is NN for both I wouldn't worry too much about it, but would test the foal just so I would KNOW in case I sold. That way, you could disclose and not have to worry about someone breeding the foal on and not being educated.
 
#17 ·
Smart Mark could very well be a carrier. It does not state his herda status on the website and his get for sale clearly state their's. That would make me think he is. I find it interesting that the 2 breeders in the discussion don't have a problem with perpetuating a recessive fault that could easily be bred out in one generation. Is the genetic contributions these carrier horses provide too important to the breed? Hardly. The breeds where herda has it's greatest #s all have open stud books. There are thousands of quality horse in the gene pool. It's all about money and politics. I'm not speaking as a casual observer. I have first hand experience with the condition and this mare was bred by the biggest names in the industry who knew what they were doing.

Stick to your guns and demand a clear 5 panel test. Just because you know the status of a foal you produce (say it's a carrier) doesn't mean that subsequent owners will understand the consequences of the disease or care. Accidental breeding happen everyday. Most carriers are never tested because the major breed registries do not require it. Maybe those foals end up in the grade category at the Saturday night sale.

The B/W doesn't do anything for me either.
 
#19 ·
I find it interesting that the 2 breeders in the discussion don't have a problem with perpetuating a recessive fault that could easily be bred out in one generation. Is the genetic contributions these carrier horses provide too important to the breed?
I don't believe in throwing the baby out with the bath water. If my mare is OLWS neg (she is) and 5 panel neg (she is), then breeding to an OLWS carrier is a non-issue, as is the Herda carrying status of the stallion. They are recessive and take 2 copies to cause problems. All things being equal, I would go with the stallion who carries none of the issues, but if I particularly liked a certain stallion who carried recessives, I certainly wouldn't hesitate. My goal as a breeder, IF I had a carrier, would be to breed a clear foal that was better than his/her parents, but still had the attributes I was looking for.

As long as the stallion owner discloses their horse's status, then the mare owner can make a responsible decision. I think that breeding is between the stallion owner and mare owner, and so long as all are well informed, then they don't need me to dictate their choices. Yes, demand a 5 panel test and I would want an OLWS test in those breeds who carry it, but I don't consider a positive result, especially with OLWS only on 1 side, to be grounds to cull a horse from the breeding shed.
 
#20 ·
Again, OWLS is a color nothing more. I can think of a million more "natural" examples of genes that cause problems in certain forms. Just don't breed it together. It seems a little silly to rule out a horse based on a color pattern when the consequences are easily avoided.

Herda, as a disease I would be inclined NOT to breed the horse, but for a horse in every other way phenomenal I would consider it to a Non Carrier only. I would still typically not breed this.

Well if I bred horses LOL. Just explaining my "morals".

I do NOT like Mr Tramp either. Think he should've been gelded awhile ago.
 
#27 ·
There's no such thing as too picky. The main things you need to do are to figure out your mare's strong and weak points, what you'd like to fix and what you'd like to reinforce. Get her tests done so you're operating from a knowledge base, not guessing, and then figure out what do you want from the foal. Halter? Performance of some type? Keep or sell? Then go looking for the stallion you think will fill your "wishlist" out the most completely. While you're doing all that, start dropping $20 or more into a savings regularly, for all the stud fee, shipping fees, breeding fees and pregnancy expenses. I figure roughly $7500 at the LEAST when I use an outside stallion.
 
#28 ·
Maybe before you decide on APHA you should get a recent APHA magazine! you might change your mind if you are real confirmation critic. There were horses in there that had like double muscling like those big blond cattle, some so post legged, and so wide chested that I would think they would not have any athletic ability at all. Yes they are great for holding up halters but you do not see a lot of them compared to AQHA in the performance circles/
 
#29 ·
I have liked following this APHA stallion on Facebook and seeing pictures of him and his many foals and their successes. They are limiting their breeding now and being more selective, offering frozen semen if the mare is unable to travel to them. He is completely clear on all genetic diseases and has been very successful in all sorts of disciplines.

QTsGold Mastercard | 2003 Buckskin Homozygous Tobiano Stallion
 
#31 ·
I could not find any conformation shots of MasterCard.....but I LOVE all his ancestors!
He really looks like a GOOD horse to me. You would have to haul to CA, though.

Our paints were bred out of those same foundations, they were champions in halter, way back when(1972-1978),but also cutting, reining, pleasure, and then I came along and showed them in English. That's why I am partial to an all around horse, and it makes me a bit tick-y for the "bred for (one specific arena competition)"discussion to come up, lol!

Sorry, back to FoxRidge ranch's stallion discussion......
 
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