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    03-24-2013, 07:40 PM
  #11
Yearling
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Originally Posted by waresbear    
So, you want someone to tell you it's ok? Ok, go ahead.
No, no really. I know it can be ok.
I want more than "you are asking for trouble" "he can kill the other horse" etc.
More explaining comments based on experiences, not just attitudes towards stallions.

Lins: The breed is Latvian driving horse.
     
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    03-24-2013, 07:44 PM
  #12
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Stallions can kill geldings. You have no idea how this stallion is going to react to your gelding. I just wouldn't risk it myself. Also, you say the mares broke the fence down to get in with this stallion??? Hmmm I'd be more inclined to think he broke the fence down.

I'm also curious as to what breed this horse is.
     
    03-24-2013, 07:50 PM
  #13
Yearling
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Originally Posted by Muppetgirl    
Stallions can kill geldings. You have no idea how this stallion is going to react to your gelding. I just wouldn't risk it myself. Also, you say the mares broke the fence down to get in with this stallion??? Hmmm I'd be more inclined to think he broke the fence down.

I'm also curious as to what breed this horse is.
I said this Other stallion is a case where actually he was the victim of the mares, not he causing problems.

We actually saw one of the mares run through the fence. The stallion was calmly grazing most of the time so ye..

I know its hard to get past bias and stereotypes, but I asked for experience out of curiosity
     
    03-24-2013, 07:50 PM
  #14
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Originally Posted by Cherrij    
No, no really. I know it can be ok.
I want more than "you are asking for trouble" "he can kill the other horse" etc.
More explaining comments based on experiences, not just attitudes towards stallions.

Lins: The breed is Latvian driving horse.
Ok, explanation based on experience:

Stallions will and can fight to the death with geldings or other stallions, especially breeding stallions, older stallions and unfamiliar horses. Stallions will also attack mares they don't approve of. I have seen all these things.....that's my experience.

There was an incident at Olds college here in Alberta a while back, where some yahoos let the studs all out into a common area together.....one was killed.

How is that for experience......
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    03-24-2013, 07:55 PM
  #15
Trained
The smell of a mare is enough to trigger these inherant responses and the mare can be miles away. But again, if you feel want to take the risk, go ahead, but from my experience, I would not. My horses are too valuable to take the risk.
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    03-24-2013, 07:57 PM
  #16
Trained
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Originally Posted by Muppetgirl    
Stallions can kill geldings. You have no idea how this stallion is going to react to your gelding. I just wouldn't risk it myself. Also, you say the mares broke the fence down to get in with this stallion??? Hmmm I'd be more inclined to think he broke the fence down.

I'm also curious as to what breed this horse is.
Mares can and do bust down fences to get to stallions... I happen to own one that has done just that in the past.
     
    03-24-2013, 08:00 PM
  #17
Yearling
Well, here is experiences. Again, one of many. As we all know, stallions are individuals, however they should not be kept in solitude. So what exactly are you against? The fact I want a stallion, or the fact he will be out with a gelding? If it wont work we will find a solutions. Not all stallions attack, and I really have no wish tempting them with mares..

I do know how to introduce horses to new pasture friends. Its not like I will take the stallion, the gelding and throw them out in the field and leave them be.

So ok, I get that the opinion at the moment is, keep stallions stalled away from mares.
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    03-24-2013, 08:12 PM
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Originally Posted by Cherrij    
Well, here is experiences. Again, one of many. As we all know, stallions are individuals, however they should not be kept in solitude. So what exactly are you against? The fact I want a stallion, or the fact he will be out with a gelding? If it wont work we will find a solutions. Not all stallions attack, and I really have no wish tempting them with mares..

I do know how to introduce horses to new pasture friends. Its not like I will take the stallion, the gelding and throw them out in the field and leave them be.

So ok, I get that the opinion at the moment is, keep stallions stalled away from mares.
Hmmmm wow, didn't think I said I was against you wanting a stallion, nor the fact that he is going to be turned out with a gelding. You asked for opinions and you got them. And yes, keep stallions away (not stalled) from mares unless you want a whole pile of foals falling on the ground.....
     
    03-24-2013, 08:15 PM
  #19
Trained
I don't know the breed charateristics of a Lativan Driving Horse, but in my experience with stallions (I own a gelding who was a breeding stallion for a dozen years), they are first & foremost a breeding animal. Yes, you can train them to be gentlemen and behave properly around mares, etc, etc. BUT, instincts can take over when they are not under your control and they will do the things mother nature has programmed them to do, like attack another male to preserve their seed from carrying on. I have no problem with an experienced breeder keeping a stallion with mares, my former stallion was kept pastured along side of mares. He is now gelded, and it took him a while before he would except the company of a gelding, he attacked several through fences a year after he was gelded. Then he was alone for a month on a new place, he was pretty lonely, even looking for my dogs as company. Then my other gelding come home from training, (his son by the way), they stayed in side by side paddocks, then let out in pasture together, not much squabbling, but his younger son is the boss no doubt because it is "his" home to begin with, his dad was the late comer. Would I have just brought him home as a stallion & done this? No way in hell!
     
    03-24-2013, 08:16 PM
  #20
Trained
I don't think that anybody is against stallions. It is just that people that have experience with stallions know that they require special facilities. I have seen two types of management that worked.

1. The stallion is alone in secure fencing.
2. The stallion is with a little band of mares in secure fencing.

Stallions can and will kill geldings. They will escape their fencing and get in with other people's mares. They will get shot by angry mare owners. They will attack their owners. I know of one man that was severely injured when his cute and cuddly stallion tried to breed him. The man was knocked to the ground and his back was injured severely.

It is not their fault. They are simply animals acting on their instincts.

If you have a valuable stallion, that is great. Just be responsible and keep him secured.

Also, it is not right to get that gelding killed. You owe him better than that.
     

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