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  • Effects of keeping a stallion entire and not breeding

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    03-24-2013, 08:38 PM
  #21
Yearling
Thanks for the input.
This is not spur of the moment decision. I have found one I like, and might get him, but nothing is set in stone.
I have always wanted a stallion and have worked with different ones, and have seen the difference of the one running with geldings, a month after all mares moved away, I have seen stalled stallion being crazy when walked past other horses, but well behaved in cleaning spaces, and have seen a stallion not even look at mares, yet another one would not stand still in a competition place. They are all different and I believe it highly depends on how they are treated and raised.

Around my territory goes a proper fence (to keep the dogs in and the deer out) which will also have electric fencing run along it, and 3 layered electric fencing to keep the horses on the pastures not my yard :P
It will be hard for them to get off my property if they feel the need for it for some reason, but I don't intend to tempt it.

Anyway, what I mean to say is that I know my risks, I do not intend to harm the gelding, and soon we find out how exactly the stallion has lived up to now..

Has anyone had experience with a stallion that never bred?
     
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    03-24-2013, 08:55 PM
  #22
Trained
The only people I know that kept stallions just for the sake of having a stallion was a lady who was an animal hoarder and kept 6 stallions in a barn for a over a decade, the SPCA seized them, the others just probably couldn't afford to geld because those were on rickety premises and the owners had lots of horses that weren't cared for properly. Everyone else gelds stallions that are not intended for breeding.
     
    03-24-2013, 09:06 PM
  #23
Weanling
I do think it's rather selfish to keep a stallion entire simply to fulfill a personal fantasy. I have had mares, geldings, and stallions as personal horses at various times in my life & in my opinion, stallions are not the best choice for pleasure horses. And when someone's says "but I've always wanted a stallion!" it throws up a red flag for me, sorry.
     
    03-24-2013, 09:40 PM
  #24
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We have a stallion at the barn I board at he is 2 1/2. My gelding is stalled next to him. They get along great BUT we are super careful and Tater the stallion has not covered a mare. And she does not plan in using him for some time .She is training him slowly under saddle. He is not let loose with mares or geldings he can interact with others though and has not acted studly. He has been to Moc ranch sortings just to "watch" and I am sure they had mares close by. He was a very well behaved boy. He was tied in the arena once with a mare in heat being worked close by and you would have never would have known it.
I am sure as is his owner that he can change in a instant. If you know what you are doing I don't see a problem . But question... what is the reasoning in keeping him a stud if you do not plan on using him as one?
     
    03-24-2013, 11:16 PM
  #25
Yearling
Young stallions are like teenage boys they have one thing on their minds, and that is to breed. Some are gentle and some are unpredictable, your taking this young stud out of his environment and putting him in a new one, where pecking order has to be established, it doesn't matter how gentle and nice this youngster is there will be fighting to establish dominance. Young studs don't seem to know when to stop. Your best bet would to be to separate them and see how the do over the fence. My stallion bites the hot wire and pulls it down it has no effect on him at all his breeding instinct is too strong. I have one gelding that my stallion can be around and they have been around each other since the stud was a yearling. But the are not penned together the stud has in own pen.
     
    03-24-2013, 11:34 PM
  #26
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Originally Posted by Cherrij    
Well, all the cuddly stallions I handled never got me in trouble. They are not vicious monsters to be scared of.
I know I can handle one, and of course I will never be careless etc..
When you refer to a stallion as a cuddly animal, you are denial that a stallion, no matter the breed, training or prior handling, can potentially be a loaded gun. You must be his leader, his boss, you must have defined lines that he can never cross. You are never his buddy. If he's a pocket pony, there are no lines, no manners and when you least expect it, something will trigger him and you won't know what hit you. Stallions should never be vicious monsters but they must be respected for what they are, a very large and powerful breeding animal first and foremost.

I have worked with non breeding stallions. I worked for a well known arab breeder who had 9 stallions but only stood 3 of them. The non used stallions ranged in age from 4-12. They were all exquisite animals but not the "flavor" of the day back in the height of the Bask craze. They were all worked daily and turned out a minimum of 1/2 day and could interact with each other in the barn. They were well socialized and received top care. The older ones were nice to be around but the young ones were jerks and dangerous if you gave them an inch. They were an invaluable introduction to stallion ownership.
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    03-24-2013, 11:40 PM
  #27
Green Broke
You opposed to the idea of keeping a stallion alone...?

But your perfectly cool with keeping a stallion intacted, raging full of hormones, that you have no intention of breeding...?

Now THAT is down right cruel!

If your going to breed him either he has it or he don't. If you have to wait and decide on adding him to a "breeding program" he probably isn't stallion material.
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    03-24-2013, 11:49 PM
  #28
Showing
Okay, you don't want to hear this. But it has to be said, and I would feel guilty if I didn't address it.

Owning a stallion for no reason other than to own a stallion is selfish. Being a stallion confines an animal to a life of solitude, raging hormones and even a shorter lifespan with a higher risk of health problems than geldings. Non-breeding stallions often become frustrated and excitable, and I have personally seen and heard of them lashing out in frustration. To intentionally do this to a horse that's serving no purpose in the breeding shed is, in my opinion, incredibly irresponsible.

Just owning a stallion sets you up for many risks, not to mention the risks to your gelding. Would you really inflict that kind of danger on him? For what? So you can say you own a stallion?

Don't get me wrong--I have nothing against responsible stallion owners and breeders whose studs are serving a purpose. However, when I see situations like this I just have to shake my head. A very small percentage of male horses deserve to keep their manhood. Why not geld those that aren't serving a purpose by bettering the breed?

Okay, I'm off my soap box now.
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    03-25-2013, 12:09 AM
  #29
Green Broke
Well said equiniphile!!
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    03-25-2013, 05:30 PM
  #30
Yearling
First.
It is not "just so I can say I am a stallion owner."
I am considering this carefully. This stallion I have looked has been bred without a breeding programme and his owners couldn't care enough to check if he is worth it. I would. And if he became too agressive or unstable due to his hormones, he would be gelded. However, if he was a good stallion and any of his kids turned out ok, I would breed again. Hard to tell when we have our stallion checks when they are 3 or 4, no earlier. If one didnt get the stallion checked by the association as a baby already, you wait and see - they need to show driving and riding too.

Second, somebody said about splitting them up, I already said, I ain't going to just throw them both in a pasture together and leave them be and expect all to be perfect. I do know how to introduce horses.

Third, all horses around be behave with respect and trust, doesn't matter if its a stallion, or a moody pony mare, they all learn to behave and respect me and my personal space, no pushing, no begging for food, nothing. I have made stallion stop trying to nip everyone, same as mares and geldings.

I am grateful for the input from you. One day I will have my perfect horse that will serve its purpose in life - to live. Not because he is built for sport, or was a pasture accident, or someone abused it.. but because he is my friend and we can have a great time together.
And at the moment I am not sure I can take this stallion anymore, as I am not sure that I can deal with the fact that he is 3, and had a mare accident - a mare kicked his eye out. I am sad the owners hid that from the first conversation, and also, not sure I can be completely selfless and make his life as he deserves it adding the extra care.
So I guess none of you have to worry that me and a gelding will get killed by raging hormones of a crazy 3 yr old stallion.
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