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        03-25-2013, 05:39 PM
      #31
    Trained
    I am sorry to hear that the stallion lost his eye. It is certainly not your fault since it is not even your horse. This is, however, the kind of thing that everybody was worried about. Stallions push themselves on other horses and somebody gets hurt. If he had been gelded, he would not be in this mess.

    I hope that you find your perfect horse. Please don't feel bad that people sounded so anti-stallion. Many of us have been hurt and seen people and horse hurt by the raging hormones that stallions have.
         
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        03-25-2013, 05:45 PM
      #32
    Super Moderator
    Stallions can be so unpredictable and the best stallion handlers in top studs will tell you no matter how nice they are and how 'normal' they seem you NEVER take your eye of the game when you're around them. These people are experts and they have survived accidents by being careful - that is not the same as being nervous.
    I've known stallions that were no more difficult than any other horse, one even worked in a riding school all year round and some competed and travelled with mares but I've known them to change very suddenly for no apparent reason and become like different horses. I also knew one that would have a go at jumping any fence if he could scent a mare for miles around - and he was a saint to ride and handle
    I would think very carefully about keeping him entire, the horse market is in a dreadful mess and I don't see it improving any time soon so his breeding days could be a long way off, he could have a much more normal life if he was castrated.
         
        03-25-2013, 07:30 PM
      #33
    Green Broke
    A couple experiences of mine.

    BO had (temporarily)two stallions, both very easy to handle, neither had caused any problems, both pastured on separate side of the farm. The wind was blowing wrong one spring day, one of the must have smelled a mare in heat and the other stallion. He battered the 5' tall pole corral he was in until enough rails broke out he could jump it, ran across the farm, found the other stallion in the 6' pole corral(poles bolted onto telephone poles in the ground), RAN INTO the poles intill he broke them(nearly disfiguring himself in the process) and started a fight with the other stud. It took 3 experienced people, whips and a lariat to get them appart.

    Also know someone who had the most gentle quarter horse stud, kids could ride him and anyone could handle him with just a rope halter. She felt bad during the winter with him pastured alone, so she took a well mannered gelding that was 8" taller than him and introduced them. They seemed fine after several hours together. When not supervised the stallion turned on the gelding. The owner found the gelding(after just a few hours) bruised, battered, exhausted and covered head to hoof in bite wounds.

    Like everyone has said, a stallions primary focus in life is breeding. Mares have that issue a few days a month, a stallion always has that on his mind. I have known some incredible, well behaved stallions, but I think keeping one without giving them any sort of outlet for their natural inclination to breed is unfair. I will never personally own a stallion for this reason.
         
        03-26-2013, 07:46 AM
      #34
    Green Broke
    My own experience?

    I was searching for a riding horse, and purchased a 3yo stallion. Big fella at 16.2hh, but had yet to mature in to his body.

    Brought him to my yard, and my trainer, at the time, said to keep him complete.

    This horse trailed an hour for the first time, got off on the yard and walked in the school in hand like he'd been there his whole life.

    For the first month EVERYTHING was perfect. I kept him away from mares, I could ride with mares, his manners were impeccable.

    But I found I wasn't enjoying him. He couldn't be turned out. If your friends come to the yard after dealing with their mares, how'd you think he is going to respond? If I had perfume on, he would snort and brighten up.

    I have experience with stallions previously, and you as an owner have the duty of care to proctect others and their horses. I couldn't turn him out, I couldn't put him in a grooming bay next to mares as other owners freaked out. I was CONSTANTLY judged. This horse NEVER put a toe out of line.

    A month later I gelded him and it has improved his quality of life, and I am now enjoying my horse rather than thinking all the "what ifs".

    My advice? Geld, or buy a gelding. Buy a mare if you want to breed. If at nearly three years old he hasn't proven himself as a breeding stallion, he most likely won't.

    You will only have control of 99% of that brain, and for me I want to be able to enjoy my horse rather than having to look out for other dangers past the norm.

    If you go away on holiday, who will be able to handle him?

    If you are ill, who will take care of him?

    Leave breeding to the experts.

    I was the owner of a good stallion, I am now the owner of an amazing gelding.
         
        03-26-2013, 09:38 AM
      #35
    Started
    I own what is possibly the GENTLEST stallion on Earth.....I think he would babysit a 3 yo child. As a 3 yo horse, he was the one we put the Russian tourists on to get the requisite "visit to Texas" cowboy photo. They could even ride him.

    I cannot turn this horse out with a gelding!! He doesn't hurt them, but he scrapes them up chewing on them. I would not turn him out with other horses, unless they were old barren mares, or bred mares. He has been in those situations.

    Sorry to hear about the horse you were looking at, that is a shame!

    Nancy
         
        03-26-2013, 06:46 PM
      #36
    Yearling
    I forgot where I read this but,


    Mares goes through life looking for food and for a few days a month are moody

    Stallions go through life wandering about looking for food and a mare and isn't contented until both are satisfied.

    Geldings go through life looking for food and friends
         
        03-27-2013, 08:38 PM
      #37
    Yearling
    Thanks for responses.
    He needs saving - he is a fine horse ( saw videos ). At the age of 3 he doesn't give legs, last farrier visit was july maybe, runs with 2 mares that beat him all the time, his eye is still there, but completely blind - but such poor people cannot do anything about it. Everything seems like it can be fixed, and I know that if it will not work out keeping him as a stallion, he will be castrated. He is a bit spooky and unsure of himself, but I am sure lots will still change in him.
    At the moment its just about making the right decision - If I have the chance to save him from a possible miserable life, why not do it?
    He is partly neglected already - the area he was in with the mares is horrible, and apparently the people live in very poor housing, even though the woman of the house seemed nice, its not a family that should have 3 horses.
         
        03-27-2013, 08:41 PM
      #38
    Trained
    If he were gelded, the mares would most likely not beat him up. He needs saving and gelding. Then he may have a chance to be a normal horse.
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        03-29-2013, 01:04 AM
      #39
    Foal
    The problem I have with your statement regarding if he becomes too aggressive or unstable that you would geld him then...you would be "pride cutting" him and he would still have all the same problems only without the beans.

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    Originally Posted by Cherrij    
    First.
    It is not "just so I can say I am a stallion owner."
    I am considering this carefully. This stallion I have looked has been bred without a breeding programme and his owners couldn't care enough to check if he is worth it. I would. And if he became too agressive or unstable due to his hormones, he would be gelded. However, if he was a good stallion and any of his kids turned out ok, I would breed again. Hard to tell when we have our stallion checks when they are 3 or 4, no earlier. If one didnt get the stallion checked by the association as a baby already, you wait and see - they need to show driving and riding too.

    Second, somebody said about splitting them up, I already said, I ain't going to just throw them both in a pasture together and leave them be and expect all to be perfect. I do know how to introduce horses.

    Third, all horses around be behave with respect and trust, doesn't matter if its a stallion, or a moody pony mare, they all learn to behave and respect me and my personal space, no pushing, no begging for food, nothing. I have made stallion stop trying to nip everyone, same as mares and geldings.

    I am grateful for the input from you. One day I will have my perfect horse that will serve its purpose in life - to live. Not because he is built for sport, or was a pasture accident, or someone abused it.. but because he is my friend and we can have a great time together.
    And at the moment I am not sure I can take this stallion anymore, as I am not sure that I can deal with the fact that he is 3, and had a mare accident - a mare kicked his eye out. I am sad the owners hid that from the first conversation, and also, not sure I can be completely selfless and make his life as he deserves it adding the extra care.
    So I guess none of you have to worry that me and a gelding will get killed by raging hormones of a crazy 3 yr old stallion.
         
        03-29-2013, 01:16 AM
      #40
    Started
    And sometimes it's not the stallion being aggressive too. My gelding is studdish enough that mares in heat go gaga over him - which is just just a bit embarrassing - but he sniffed a (usually sweet) mare that was not in heat one time and she threw a kick out. It nearly got me instead. He didn't even touch her, they were standing next to each other at the traffic lights (ready to be led around the park) and he just flipped his lip and said something vulgar in horsey language. She cracked it and threw out a kick. Similarly, you might have been hurt by the mare who injured his eye had you been there (and if his owners didn't reveal that then I'd wonder what else they were hiding).

    So even if a stallion is a sweetheart, a mare might not appreciate his eyeing her. Or a studdish gelding might take exception to his presence and have a go. Stallions just make everything a lot more complicated. Heck, I know a few mare owners who wish they had a similar procedure to fix the hormone issues in their horses!
         

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