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    07-29-2014, 10:06 PM
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Stallion or Not?

In October of 2013 I moved barns. I have a four year old mare that wasn't enduring heats before due to under weight (I have only had her for about a year) but started going into heat every one to two months and it will last about a week or two in duration when we moved. She is quite the flirt. She was recently going out to pasture with a quarter horse 'gelding', he has been caught mounting and hooking up with my mare. So now she doesn't go out to pasture with him anymore but her heats have stopped in the last two months. Is there such thing as 'spring fever' for horses? Is there anyway to tell other than getting her palpated if she is pregnant or he is a stud after all. He is an OTQH said never to have bred. But I have been informed that there is a chance that a ball never dropped and in some cases can drop even at 12 years old. Any advice is welcomed. (Take under consideration it isn't my intention to inpregnate my mare currently yes there are future plans but that is years into the future)
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    07-29-2014, 10:37 PM
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What you are talking about is a cryptorchid/monorochid/ridling stallion or rig a horse that has retained a testicle. It is possible for a horse such as that to impregnant a mare. If there is a shadow of a question about your mare you can do one of three things.
1. Palpate the mare to confirm pregnancy
2. Wait 11 ish months and see if a "surprise" appears
3. Have the stallion tested (via blood test) to see where his testosterone levels are.

If I was you, I would go with number one and heavily suggest the owners of the "stallion" test him and deal with the test results as indicated.
     
    07-29-2014, 10:43 PM
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Originally Posted by rookie    
What you are talking about is a cryptorchid/monorochid/ridling stallion or rig a horse that has retained a testicle. It is possible for a horse such as that to impregnant a mare. If there is a shadow of a question about your mare you can do one of three things.
1. Palpate the mare to confirm pregnancy
2. Wait 11 ish months and see if a "surprise" appears
3. Have the stallion tested (via blood test) to see where his testosterone levels are.

If I was you, I would go with number one and heavily suggest the owners of the "stallion" test him and deal with the test results as indicated.
thank you for your advice! The vet is coming out at the end of the month and I may just go ahead and pay for her to get p alpated just to appease my own curiosity and for the safety of the rest of the mare on property.
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    07-29-2014, 10:52 PM
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The possibility of a horse with retained testicles reproducing is very very slim to none. Sperm cannot grow or survive at normal body temperatures, which is why the testicles hang away from the body. If they are retained inside the body, the sperm will die before they could ever even reach full development.
If he only has one testicle retained, then he could still reproduce, though you would be able to see the other testicle.
Another more probable possibility is that he has been proudcut, in which case he would still be unable to produce but will continue to act like a stallion.
I have known 2 geldings personally in the past who were not proud cut that still tried to breed mares.
Females are also prone to phantom pregnancies, where the body believes that it is pregnant but this will pass in time.
If you are worried, have her tested.
     
    07-29-2014, 11:27 PM
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Green Broke
Agree, he could very well be 100% correctly gelded and still be.."especially interested in your mare" some are just pervs :) at least with certain mares.

Regardless of ability to impregnate I would not let him cover her as it can lead to problems (infections etc).
     
    07-30-2014, 12:02 AM
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Weanling
As the owner of a proud cut gelding, I can defiantly say they breed mares. My colt Rebel, will mount the mares and breed them if they are in heat. He doesn't have sperm, but the little perv will do it.
     
    07-30-2014, 12:41 AM
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Yearling
I would have the mare checked for peace of mind. At the same time it is not unheard of for a gelding to try to breed a mare. It is also not unusual for a mare to have more noticeable heat cycles the first couple of times in the spring then the rest of the time have silent (no obvious signs of being in) heat cycles.
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    07-30-2014, 01:14 AM
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Someone on the forum had a foal this out from her mare and her sisters "gelding" cryptid) so its slim, but not impossible. There is a 4th option. You can have the mare luted for cheap and terminant any pregnancy she currently has, if she is not in foal it wont harm her either. I think retained testicals are genetic and IF its passed on that is a very expensive vet bill to correct.
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    07-30-2014, 08:24 AM
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Someone on the forum had a foal this out from her mare and her sisters "gelding" cryptid) so its slim, but not impossible. There is a 4th option. You can have the mare luted for cheap and terminant any pregnancy she currently has, if she is not in foal it wont harm her either. I think retained testicals are genetic and IF its passed on that is a very expensive vet bill to correct.

Absolutely retained testicles are genetic and I see this cropping up in more and more Quarter horses and Paints. Unfortunately is it fairly expensive to complete the gelding (cost me $600.00 + overnight stay + antibiotic shots for 10 days on one I bought).
There are still plenty of unscrupulous vets out there willing to only take out the dropped testicle and leave the other which leads to dangerous stallion behavior.
I've had 3 beginner horse owner clients who bought registered geldings that turned out to be partially gelded and were quite dangerous around mares. Two of them did the right thing and paid for a full gelding and one sold the horse down the line to the next unsuspecting buyer.
I'd keep your mare strictly away from this "gelding" in the future-people are not always honest and these partial geldings are unfortunately becoming more common.
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    07-30-2014, 02:40 PM
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Green Broke
It is good to have your mare checked, but If your mare is indeed preggers, how will you convince the owner of the 'gelding' that her horse is indeed a stallion ?
If someone told me my gelding was a stallion,, I would laugh at them.
I have geldings that will mount and attempt to breed, I have seen neutered dogs hook up.
I have a smaller gelding that cannot go out with mares, he tries to mount and has ended sore in his hips , trying to get to the big girls, and this gelding is in his 30's.
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