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        07-30-2014, 08:23 PM
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    ^ if there was only one gelding trying to mount the mares and mares where getting preggers, I don't think it would be a laughing matter. At that point you just get the "gelding" tested. IF he is an actual gelding then a stud ended up in there overnight. But more than likely the "gelding" will be a half gelded stud.
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        07-31-2014, 03:37 PM
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    Even if he has one retained testicle, the sperm are dead and he can't produce.

    Sperm is only viable when kept outside the body, that is why testicles are in "sack" outside body. If he was a Chryp and had one testicle inside and one testicle outside and he was gelded by a vet and owner and only removed the outside one,(very unethical) then he can and will act like a stud.
         
        07-31-2014, 04:00 PM
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    Green Broke
    As said, MOST cryptorchids are sterile but it has been proven time and time again that not all are.
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        07-31-2014, 05:15 PM
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    So, Yogiwick, would you show me where it says a cryptorchid can produce foals? I am talking about a horse with either both testicles up inside the belly, or a "gelding' that has had the visible one removed and the second testicle is inside the belly........... I have worked for vets for 35 plus years and never seen this happen.
    I am not talking about a chyptorchid that has one inside the belly and one outside in the scrotum. I am talking about a horse that has neither in the scrotum or a horse that has one testicle removed and one remaining inside the belly. Which is what happens when a colt is gelded that only has one testicle removed because it is the only one showing and the other in inside the belly. The OP says hers is a "gelding" so not talking about a horse with one testicle showing....
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        07-31-2014, 06:36 PM
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    I have had that issue with a few sheep I have had.

    As far as horses I have not come across that issue first hand though have heard of it happening several times from valid sources.

    I also don't see why if it can happen to a sheep it won't happen to a horse.

    Agree it's VERY likely the animal will be sterile, just not 100%
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        07-31-2014, 11:49 PM
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    I do believe that if the retained testicle isn't in the belly but is in the subcutaneous region of the inguinal ring (not actually dropped but resting there) it can theoretically get cool enough in part of the testicle for sperm to develop. (BUT this is SUPER unlikely and basically a 99.9% to .1 chance) So theoretically a "gelding" who had the dropped testicle removed but not the one in the belly could reproduce if the retained testicle tried to drop and just didn't quite make it later in life. I might be wrong but I am fairly sure I have heard of this.
         
        08-01-2014, 12:05 AM
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    Yes, *due to heat* the sperm will be killed, nothing more nothing less, therefore, theoretically if the heat was reduced (for whatever reason) the sperm could potentially be viable.

    I'm not at all saying it's common, I'm just saying it happens, and I do believe the location of the testicle(s) is/are relevant to that. (maybe the amount too?)
         
        08-01-2014, 02:39 AM
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    It is unlikely but it dose happen, again happened to someone on the forum last year. Their foal should be about 4 months old now. As far as they knew he was a gelding, no nuts hanging down at all. Then when their mare turned up preggers, they get him looked at. And vet said cryptid. So he was Re-gelded (last I knew anyway).
         
        08-01-2014, 10:45 AM
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    The only way that would be possible is if the testicle that is not in the scrotum is past the inguinal ring(which closes hence the testicle not being in the scrotum on mature horses)
    but just under the skin. If this occurs sometimes the sperm can be viable because it is not in the belly. However, the testicle can be felt because it just lies under the skin, not up in the belly.
         
        08-01-2014, 01:02 PM
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    Green Broke
    Sure, just saying there are some instances where the horse is a true cryptorchid and is at least somewhat sterile. Not saying it's common or that it can happen in any situation.
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