Stallion or Not? - Page 2 - The Horse Forum
 35Likes
Reply
 
LinkBack Thread Tools
post #11 of 25 Old 07-30-2014, 07:23 PM
Green Broke
 
Join Date: Jun 2013
Location: Phoenix Arizona
Posts: 4,289
• Horses: 5
^ if there was only one gelding trying to mount the mares and mares where getting preggers, i dont think it would be a laughing matter. At that point you just get the "gelding" tested. IF he is an actual gelding then a stud ended up in there overnight. but more than likely the "gelding" will be a half gelded stud.
2BigReds and Chasin Ponies like this.
KigerQueen is offline  
Sponsored Links
Advertisement
 
post #12 of 25 Old 07-31-2014, 02:37 PM
Started
 
Join Date: Nov 2009
Location: Wyoming
Posts: 2,044
• Horses: 2
Even if he has one retained testicle, the sperm are dead and he can't produce.

Sperm is only viable when kept outside the body, that is why testicles are in "sack" outside body. If he was a Chryp and had one testicle inside and one testicle outside and he was gelded by a vet and owner and only removed the outside one,(very unethical) then he can and will act like a stud.
wyominggrandma is offline  
post #13 of 25 Old 07-31-2014, 03:00 PM
Trained
 
Join Date: Sep 2013
Location: New England
Posts: 9,578
• Horses: 3
As said, MOST cryptorchids are sterile but it has been proven time and time again that not all are.
KigerQueen and Chasin Ponies like this.
Yogiwick is offline  
post #14 of 25 Old 07-31-2014, 04:15 PM
Started
 
Join Date: Nov 2009
Location: Wyoming
Posts: 2,044
• Horses: 2
So, Yogiwick, would you show me where it says a cryptorchid can produce foals? I am talking about a horse with either both testicles up inside the belly, or a "gelding' that has had the visible one removed and the second testicle is inside the belly........... I have worked for vets for 35 plus years and never seen this happen.
I am not talking about a chyptorchid that has one inside the belly and one outside in the scrotum. I am talking about a horse that has neither in the scrotum or a horse that has one testicle removed and one remaining inside the belly. Which is what happens when a colt is gelded that only has one testicle removed because it is the only one showing and the other in inside the belly. The OP says hers is a "gelding" so not talking about a horse with one testicle showing....
dbarabians likes this.
wyominggrandma is offline  
post #15 of 25 Old 07-31-2014, 05:36 PM
Trained
 
Join Date: Sep 2013
Location: New England
Posts: 9,578
• Horses: 3
I have had that issue with a few sheep I have had.

As far as horses I have not come across that issue first hand though have heard of it happening several times from valid sources.

I also don't see why if it can happen to a sheep it won't happen to a horse.

Agree it's VERY likely the animal will be sterile, just not 100%
KigerQueen likes this.
Yogiwick is offline  
post #16 of 25 Old 07-31-2014, 10:49 PM
Weanling
 
Join Date: Sep 2009
Location: Texas!
Posts: 569
• Horses: 3
I do believe that if the retained testicle isn't in the belly but is in the subcutaneous region of the inguinal ring (not actually dropped but resting there) it can theoretically get cool enough in part of the testicle for sperm to develop. (BUT this is SUPER unlikely and basically a 99.9% to .1 chance) So theoretically a "gelding" who had the dropped testicle removed but not the one in the belly could reproduce if the retained testicle tried to drop and just didn't quite make it later in life. I might be wrong but I am fairly sure I have heard of this.


Horses Will Listen...Even When No One Else Could Possibly Understand...
Pidge is offline  
post #17 of 25 Old 07-31-2014, 11:05 PM
Trained
 
Join Date: Sep 2013
Location: New England
Posts: 9,578
• Horses: 3
Yes, *due to heat* the sperm will be killed, nothing more nothing less, therefore, theoretically if the heat was reduced (for whatever reason) the sperm could potentially be viable.

I'm not at all saying it's common, I'm just saying it happens, and I do believe the location of the testicle(s) is/are relevant to that. (maybe the amount too?)
Yogiwick is offline  
post #18 of 25 Old 08-01-2014, 01:39 AM
Green Broke
 
Join Date: Jun 2013
Location: Phoenix Arizona
Posts: 4,289
• Horses: 5
It is unlikely but it dose happen, again happened to someone on the forum last year. their foal should be about 4 months old now. as far as they knew he was a gelding, no nuts hanging down at all. then when their mare turned up preggers, they get him looked at. And vet said cryptid. So he was Re-gelded (last i knew anyway).
KigerQueen is offline  
post #19 of 25 Old 08-01-2014, 09:45 AM
Started
 
Join Date: Nov 2009
Location: Wyoming
Posts: 2,044
• Horses: 2
The only way that would be possible is if the testicle that is not in the scrotum is past the inguinal ring(which closes hence the testicle not being in the scrotum on mature horses)
but just under the skin. If this occurs sometimes the sperm can be viable because it is not in the belly. However, the testicle can be felt because it just lies under the skin, not up in the belly.
wyominggrandma is offline  
post #20 of 25 Old 08-01-2014, 12:02 PM
Trained
 
Join Date: Sep 2013
Location: New England
Posts: 9,578
• Horses: 3
Sure, just saying there are some instances where the horse is a true cryptorchid and is at least somewhat sterile. Not saying it's common or that it can happen in any situation.
stevenson and KigerQueen like this.
Yogiwick is offline  
Reply

Quick Reply
Message:
Options

Register Now



In order to be able to post messages on the The Horse Forum forums, you must first register.

Already have a Horse Forum account?
Members are allowed only one account per person at the Horse Forum, so if you've made an account here in the past you'll need to continue using that account. Please do not create a new account or you may lose access to the Horse Forum. If you need help recovering your existing account, please Contact Us. We'll be glad to help!

New to the Horse Forum?
Please choose a username you will be satisfied with using for the duration of your membership at the Horse Forum. We do not change members' usernames upon request because that would make it difficult for everyone to keep track of who is who on the forum. For that reason, please do not incorporate your horse's name into your username so that you are not stuck with a username related to a horse you may no longer have some day, or use any other username you may no longer identify with or care for in the future.



User Name:
Password
Please enter a password for your user account. Note that passwords are case-sensitive.

Password:


Confirm Password:
Email Address
Please enter a valid email address for yourself.

Email Address:
OR

Log-in









Human Verification

In order to verify that you are a human and not a spam bot, please enter the answer into the following box below based on the instructions contained in the graphic.


Old Thread Warning
This thread is more than 90 days old. When a thread is this old, it is often better to start a new thread rather than post to it. However, If you feel you have something of value to add to this particular thread, you can do so by checking the box below before submitting your post.

Thread Tools
Show Printable Version Show Printable Version
Email this Page Email this Page



Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Stallion fencing? Other stallion questions.. ButtInTheDirt Stallions and Broodmares 15 11-08-2013 09:27 AM
What do you think of this stallion? bhorselover Horse Conformation Critique 5 04-11-2012 05:54 PM
So what do you think of this stallion? myhorsesonador Horse Riding Critique 5 03-27-2010 09:21 PM
What do you think of this stallion? Magic Horse Breeding 19 02-27-2009 02:36 PM
What do you think of this stallion? Too different? misita Horse Breeding 19 05-29-2008 08:00 PM

Posting Rules  
You may post new threads
You may post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are On

 
For the best viewing experience please update your browser to Google Chrome