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Tentatively considering a 2-3 year breeding plan

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        07-21-2014, 11:17 AM
      #11
    Green Broke
    I don't know about you, but I change my mind like I change my underwear. Who's to say in 3 years, plus gestation time, plus 2-4 years to break her... Who's to say you'll be interested in walking horse shows? Who's to say your baby will be show quality?

    It's going to be a lot cheaper, less risky and easier to buy a horse who already on the ground and demonstrating promise as a show horse.
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        07-21-2014, 11:24 AM
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    I have a feeling that any foal you bred from your mare would be less than perfect regardless of how good the stallion was - it takes several generations of breeding to get to where I think you want to be which would probably mean it would be your mares grand daughter or possibly grt grand daughter (if you even got a filly from the first breedings) that would be your ideal show horse
    Probably easier/cheaper to save the stud fees and go out and buy a really nice youngster
         
        07-21-2014, 11:36 AM
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    Thanks for the comments, lol.

    As I stated before, she has been used as a broodmare in the past and was bred to a stallion with not the greatest confo, yet the resulting foals had good conformaton and looked very nice. I personally think her bloodlines are great, if only because she has the bloodlines that I like in a Walker. I only want to cross her with a more present day bloodline because she is linebred and I don't want to introduce bloodlines the same as or very close to her own so closely in a foal.

    :) There's no telling whether or not I'll still even want to breed her this time two or three years from now. :) That's why I put 'tentatively' in the headline.

    Also, there's no such thing as a perfect horse. Any horse ever, none of them are perfect and there's no way to breed for the absolutely perfect horse. You can be close, but not ever actually perfect. Jaydee, you're talking about big time showing. I'm not. I'm talking about saddle club showing with the possibility of advancing later on if it's something I feel like doing. If not, the foal would either be sold as a 'small-time show horse' or kept and trained as a personal trail mount or leased out.
         
        07-21-2014, 12:03 PM
      #14
    Green Broke
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    Originally Posted by Britt    
    Thanks for the comments, lol.

    As I stated before, she has been used as a broodmare in the past and was bred to a stallion with not the greatest confo, yet the resulting foals had good conformaton and looked very nice. I personally think her bloodlines are great, if only because she has the bloodlines that I like in a Walker. I only want to cross her with a more present day bloodline because she is linebred and I don't want to introduce bloodlines the same as or very close to her own so closely in a foal.

    :) There's no telling whether or not I'll still even want to breed her this time two or three years from now. :) That's why I put 'tentatively' in the headline.

    Also, there's no such thing as a perfect horse. Any horse ever, none of them are perfect and there's no way to breed for the absolutely perfect horse. You can be close, but not ever actually perfect. Jaydee, you're talking about big time showing. I'm not. I'm talking about saddle club showing with the possibility of advancing later on if it's something I feel like doing. If not, the foal would either be sold as a 'small-time show horse' or kept and trained as a personal trail mount or leased out.
    Precisely why people are telling you she is too old to risk having a foal. Being a previous brood mare doesn't make her chances of giving birth safely any higher. Being a previous broodmare could actually put her at higher risk for problems.

    The general agreement from everyone is don't breed her. Not now, or 3 years from now. It's too risky.
         
        07-21-2014, 12:16 PM
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    I find that interesting, because all the vet's I have spoken to (my own vet plus two others who are large animal/equine vets) have said that if the mare has foaled before, it's not as risky to breed when they are older because their bodies already know what to do. I asked that last year to the vets and all three of them told me the same thing. I think, in that case, I'd be more inclined to believe the vets, since all three said the exact same thing... that is it safer to breed an older mare who has been bred before than one who hasn't been bred at all.
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        07-21-2014, 12:20 PM
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    I find that interesting, because all the vet's I have spoken to (my own vet plus two others who are large animal/equine vets) have said that if the mare has foaled before, it's not as risky to breed when they are older because their bodies already know what to do. I asked that last year to the vets and all three of them told me the same thing. I think, in that case, I'd be more inclined to believe the vets, since all three said the exact same thing... that is it safer to breed an older mare who has been bred before than one who hasn't been bred at all.
    This CAN be true. However you don't know how her pervious foaling experiences went for her. They could have done damage, they could have been difficult births. There are so many factors that go into it
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        07-21-2014, 12:20 PM
      #17
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    If you have the vets ok, are determined to breed her and are being responsible about it then breed her.

    All in all she's your horse and your going to do what you want with her. It sounds as though you are weighing the pros and cons of breeding her and are willing to take the obviouse risks into consideration.
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        07-21-2014, 12:26 PM
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    We tried to breed our old mare when she was in her early twenties (the mare has since passed away at age 34). This mare had had a number of nice foals, had really nice bloodlines (sire won the trotting triple crown) she had produced a few money earners and all of her foals were nice temperament and easy to work around. She was a stout mare, built like a brick outhouse. Her only issue was a colic she had that resolved when she refluxed during Nasogastric tubing (my non-equine brother thought the doctor was a miracle worker, the doctor was convinced the horse was going to die) and arthritis. We bred her, she took and ended up with twins. They pinched one of the twins and the mare reabsorbed the other when we ultra sounded a few weeks later. We did not rebreed. With older mares, the issue is not some much getting them pregnant but keeping them pregnant and keeping them in good condition during the pregnancy. Having a foal takes a lot out of a mare, more so in the nursing stages of the foals development.

    Britt, I think you should when ready buy a yearling or two year old on the ground. That way you get "up to date" lines. I also know that you did not ultrasound for twins after your mare was bred previously. Which with an older mare I think is basically required. The stress of a pregnancy is enough but the stress of carrying twins could really push a mare over the edge. If you decide to breed, really consider if your mare is a "easy keeper" the harder she is to keep weight on in an open (non pregnant state) the harder it will be to keep weight on her pregnant.
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        07-21-2014, 12:27 PM
      #19
    Green Broke
    ^This. (EDIT-"this" to My, not to rookie. We posted at the same time xD) You can get all the opinions in the world, but ultimately you're going to do whatever you want to do with your horse and your money. It's just of my opinion (and apparently everyone else's) that you'll get more bang for your buck if you pick out something on the ground.
         
        07-21-2014, 03:49 PM
      #20
    Yearling
    Correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't you have a twenty year old mare slip a foal this year? And you didn't want to risk breeding that mare again because of her age?
         

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