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        12-22-2012, 05:22 PM
      #21
    Green Broke
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    Originally Posted by Shirekeldeo7    
    Im sorry if I posted this forum I mean I really love horses but everytime I see them get slaughtered or die get very angry that it's not right
    How often do you 'see them get slaughtered'? Are you hanging around slaughterhouses??
         
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        12-22-2012, 06:38 PM
      #22
    Foal
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    Originally Posted by themacpack    
    How often do you 'see them get slaughtered'? Are you hanging around slaughterhouses??
    Thank god no I couldn't stand it but I see it on youtube why idk it just happens
         
        12-22-2012, 06:44 PM
      #23
    Showing
    Stop looking for things that upset you on YouBoob.

    Honestly, horses die every day just like other animals and people. Death isn't pretty no matter how it comes packaged.
         
        12-22-2012, 07:51 PM
      #24
    Yearling
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Shirekeldeo7    
    Thank god no I couldn't stand it but I see it on youtube why idk it just happens
    Honestly the youtube videos are only showing the worst of it.

    I'm neither pro nor anti slaughter...I'm somewhere in between. I don't like that it's a necessary evil, but that's just what it is. If there was a legitimately humane way to do it, I'd be all for it. Alas, there is not. I've never heard of the electrocution method. I do know that the bolt gun more often than not does not kill the horse and many horses under the bolt gun method are actually conscious when tied up to be slit...which I do believe to be illegal. I like the one place in Canada where they just put a bullet into their head...

    In my perfect world (with slaughter still necessary):
    It would be illegal to slaughter companion horses for consumption.
    Private owners, kill buyers, etc. would not be paid for providing the animals.
    Euthanasia for companion horses would be extremely affordable/readily available.
    Food horses would be raised for such, like cattle or other consumed animals.

    But so much for anything being easy.
         
        12-23-2012, 02:00 PM
      #25
    Green Broke
    If you have a companion horse, why would you take it auction therefore subjecting it to slaughter ? If you r horse is too ill too old too lame you have 3 choices, let it die naturally (painfull), have it euthanized (painfull) have it slaughtered ( painfull) .
    Horse meat.. not until the products used on horses state " safe for animals used for slaughter. Until then.. no way. Not my horses. But liek with the millions of cats and dogs that die every year , what happens to the unwanted horses, starved to death ? Shipped to Mexico used for Charro rodeo tripping ? Tortured before slaughtered.. There is one solution.. if you get a horse, keep it until it dies. Don't be breeding .
         
        12-23-2012, 03:04 PM
      #26
    Yearling
    I don't know about any other places, but the horse industry here is kind of taking a brutal landslide. With the price of hay a lot of people can no longer afford to keep their horses anymore and no one wants to buy, so what are they supposed to do with these horses that they can't sell? To be quite honest I would rather send my horses to slaughter than let them sit in their paddock and starve to death. It's a sad reality, but without slaughter there would be twenty times more cruelty cases.
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        12-26-2012, 11:57 AM
      #27
    Foal
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    Originally Posted by stevenson    
    If you r horse is too ill too old too lame you have 3 choices, let it die naturally (painfull), have it euthanized (painfull) have it slaughtered ( painfull).
    Why do you say humane euthanasia is painful?

    I am curious how many people on this forum have actually received any training in regards to the slaughter process, or even euthanasia for that matter. There are indicators we look for to ensure that these animals pass in a painless, humane manner. Spasms are normal and do not indicate pain. Instead, look for a "righting response" when the animal is hung for bleeding. This means, if the animal is truly unconscious, it might thrash but the neck will remain limp because the animal is not trying to right itself.

    It is normal for an animal to be rendered unconscious, not killed, prior to slaughter. This facilitates proper bleeding. I am not against slaughter, but it needs to be humane. Most slaughter facilities are not designed for horses. They are designed for cattle, which think differently than horses. Cattle should never see people in a good slaughter facility, and should be relatively quiet as this indicates they are not overly stressed.

    Proper restraint ensures that whatever method of rendering insensible to pain is used, the animal will go down with one hit. A squeeze chute for cattle should close from both sides not one side. Do horses respond to squeeze chute? I don't know, I haven't seen any research on that subject and I have never put one of my horses in a squeeze chute. I have been to large slaughter plants when the pneumatic captive bolt gun was defective so they had to hit the animal a second time, with a backup, and it was very quick, I don't think it caused undue stress.

    I encourage everyone to do thorough research on slaughter and euthanasia. It doesn't have to be a terrible thing. We as humans have the power to "play God" by ending suffering, and euthanasia is truly the final act of love, not something to be feared. I wouldn't personally eat a horse that hasn't been raised for meat, but who am I to judge people that do. As long as the animal is humanely killed, I see nothing wrong with not letting the flesh go to waste.
         
        12-26-2012, 03:13 PM
      #28
    Green Broke
    How can you say it is not Painful ? Are the nerve conductors attached to show that the nerves have not responded ? Euthanasia basically stops the heart.. have you watched the face of a horse that is being euthed ? And I have seen a horse that while still breathing spasmed . Being shot hurts .
    I did forget a fourth option.. you can send the horse to a zoo , large cat facility, and they can put a bullett in its head and use it to feed the lions etc.
         
        12-26-2012, 03:42 PM
      #29
    Foal
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by stevenson    
    How can you say it is not Painful ? Are the nerve conductors attached to show that the nerves have not responded ? Euthanasia basically stops the heart.. have you watched the face of a horse that is being euthed ? And I have seen a horse that while still breathing spasmed . Being shot hurts .
    I did forget a fourth option.. you can send the horse to a zoo , large cat facility, and they can put a bullett in its head and use it to feed the lions etc.
    Yes, I have. And if that is your experience, then your vet is not doing it right. A sedative should be delivered before the shot that kills the horse.

    And if you are not doing chemical euthanasia, then one well-placed bullet would drop the horse without it even knowing what is going on.

    In my personal experience, the most pain comes from the reason you chose to euthanize.... hence the need for the euthanasia.
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        12-26-2012, 08:09 PM
      #30
    Green Broke
    I watched the Vet Sedate the horse,I was holding the lead rope and it was enough . I am not against Euthanization, slaughter or a bullet to the head. I just do not consider them to be pain free.. LEss pain than abuse less pain than starvation.
    I am against using horse meat , That has been treated with Medications that state DO NOT use for animals intended for slaughter, for human consumption.
    I am against Charro rodeos, cow tripping, tiping and same for the horse tripping. I am against BUll fighting as done in Spain. I am against Dog and Chicken fighting. That is all painfull to the animal . I am against breeding just because you have a mare or stallion. Same for dogs,, cause you are just going to get rich doing so.
         

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