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post #31 of 61 Old 12-12-2010, 08:19 PM
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Originally Posted by theview View Post
OK Well Guess what hes still stolen! All his family wants is to get him back. Like I said MULTIPLE TIMES.....He 14.1 H sorrel John Mule, Scar on left shoulder. Who ever has him please return him to his owners, they will buy him from you if thats what it takes
I'd hate to sound rude or against you, but it doesn't make sense why you wouldn't answer the questions that others have asked. If you want this Mule to be found then your going to have to give us more information. How do you expect us to help you if you refuse to give us the needed information? If you knew where he had been placed before why didn't you go to the stable? Your situation seems to be out of order and confusing. Please try to organize the way you give information.

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post #32 of 61 Old 12-12-2010, 11:20 PM
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Originally Posted by bama20a View Post
I'm not claiming to know the law,But to me Council farms could be charged with buying & receiving stolen property.
There is no proof they did anything except maybe buy a mule from an auction or something of the sort. So far nobody has said that they for sure had any part of it, other than having him listed for sale. Who knows how many people he went through before going there, if he was ever stolen to begin with, etc.

The OP refuses to answer questions, so either he/she either doesn't know the answers, or is covering something up. Im guessing the first, since another forum got suspicious of the same OP for the same "stolen mule" as well and lack of real info. I doubt here is also any affiliation between the OP and the mule at all since this was the first post at another forum by the same OP.
"Hey everyone, Help find a stolen mule. I just found out about this facebook page its "Help Find Travlin Soldier, Stolen Mule" He was last seen on the council farms webpage!"

So apparently this is just a random person on a crusade for a mule she doesn't know. And then gets huffy when asked for details...

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post #33 of 61 Old 12-12-2010, 11:23 PM
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Originally Posted by Snookeys View Post
Why don't you just go to Council Farms and see if he's there? I'm rather confused about your situation. You know his whereabouts, but you don't know where he is...?
According to the posts made on a different board (I linked it earlier in the thread) the cops have already been to Council Farms and nothing came of it. The more information I am getting, the more this is sounding like an Agister's Lien that they don't agree with. Council Farms had him from 6/2009 to 10/2010 and he was HEAVILY advertised during that time as shown by the cached versions of their page, the YouTube videos, etc. They didn't keep it a secret. Jeff Bynum, the person she claims "lost" him initially is ironically a Mule trader and auctioneer. If it's not an Agister's Lien, then possibly he was sold by the daughter and when mom found out she played the "oh, he was stolen" card?

Here's what doesn't add up to me:
1) They are making this appear to be a recent theft when in fact it's more than a year and a half old
2) SHI/NetPosse HAS this report and has had it for some time yet they don't have enough information and/or evidence to post it on the site. This alone makes me think that there is something not right with this situation
3) Why would the cops go to Council Farms and do nothing if this was a theft? Again, this makes it sound like an Agister's Lien or a legitimate sale.
4) Why not disclose some of the information I've asked for? It's legitimate information that any stolen report should/would need.
5) Any time I try to point out this is not a recent theft, they are deleting my posts. Why hide it?

There is something fishy in Denmark as the saying goes...

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post #34 of 61 Old 12-12-2010, 11:28 PM
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I did wonder why the FB page is so new when the "theft" is so old. The whole thing reeks of fake... If they knew where he was, and he was stolen, why didn't they go after him while he was still there? And if they are offering to buy him back now, why didn't they just buy him from Council Farms when they had him if they wanted him back so badly?

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post #35 of 61 Old 12-12-2010, 11:34 PM
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I've even had the President of NASMA or NAMSA whichever it is, his wife emailed me as she had seen my comment before it was deleted. They are very familiar with Soldier and word on the circuit is Agister's Lien. He hasn't been seen on the circuit since 2008.

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post #36 of 61 Old 12-13-2010, 01:52 AM
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I was concerned about this mule initially so I asked for more information about the mule as I thought it was stolen. However since more information has come out, I emailed Council Farms informing them of this thread, as there is no evidence that this mule was stolen. It is a terrible thing to slander a business especially all over the internet when they might not know about it.
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post #37 of 61 Old 12-13-2010, 12:50 PM
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VENT... probably new post, actually...

This is awful, and exactly what I suspected. I left a message for the administrators asking if it were possible to just pull down public availability for posting Stolen horses. For instance: verify the profile of a given individual from an organization such as NetPosse, where they do their homework before they advertise "lost" and "stolen" horses. In my ideal horsey world, the "verified" poster can make "stolen" ads for horses who are legitimately stolen. Then, this site will become a reputable avenue for such organizations to reach people in the public who may not otherwise go to the NetPosse website regularly to see about "stolen" horses... the word would be out, and it would protect others from libel/slander situations. I can say from first hand experience that the utilization of these forums by people who are crooked has the potential to create a very limited life potential for these beautiful, innocent animals. This limited potential includes being rehomed to beautiful, loving well-meaning and INNOCENT people, participating in competition, and so forth. I hope the current owners can take comfort in the fact that the reputation of the person claiming "STOLEN" is already extremely tarnished by their own doing, and those who know the former owners who are making these claims KNOW the truth behind those claims.

I know from our situations, the people owning horses who are faced with Agister's Liens and subsequent lien foreclosures already have very poor reputations within the local equine community. The only people who believe their lies are the people who are already on the same level of pathetic underhanded mindsets. It would be awesome if there were some sort of overseeing organization who had a legal avenue for having a boarder-blacklist... sort of like when people repeatedly bounce checks and the checks are posted for the public to see. Credit card companies have this, apartment/home rental/sales have this, etc... why can't we? Of course, not just gossipy "These people suck" claims, but rather, substantiated "They have not paid board in x-# of months..." or "They have not paid for veterinary care in x-# of days", etc. There has to be something us barn owners can do to protect our assets.

To have people think it is our responsibility to pay for their horses, and then turn around and have access to public forums like this one, that are meant to be reputable "helpful" locations and post these things is just absolutely rediculous. I know it is impossible to block these idiots from creating repeated profiles and whatnot, BUT, it is not impossible to create a reputable forum for "Stolen" ads within this forum. Additionally, it wouldn't block people from posting these stolen ads on other places in the forum, but with the availability of NetPosse or another reputable organization posting in a "verified" forum, it would help the rest of us decipher reputable from non-reputable and would therefore help protect those at risk from libel.

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post #38 of 61 Old 12-13-2010, 01:09 PM
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ill keep my eyes out sorry hes missing
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post #39 of 61 Old 12-13-2010, 01:20 PM
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Who are you in relation to the owners?
This stinks of troll

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post #40 of 61 Old 12-13-2010, 04:54 PM
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Originally Posted by apachiedragon View Post
I did wonder why the FB page is so new when the "theft" is so old. The whole thing reeks of fake... If they knew where he was, and he was stolen, why didn't they go after him while he was still there? And if they are offering to buy him back now, why didn't they just buy him from Council Farms when they had him if they wanted him back so badly?

My thoughts exactly. I am pretty sure I am speaking for everyone on this forum when I say I would pay ANYTHING I had to get my horse back, even to the person who "stole" her. I would get her back from council farms, and then have the police take over and possibly get my money back. Even if I didn't get reimbursed, it would be worth every penny having to buy her back again.

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