This stinks. I've used this saddle couple of times but it doesn't not fit the horse I bought it for. It is an all black Fabtron brand saddle model number 7113, it has an ultra-comfortable 17" rough-out seat, the cantle is 4" high offering a secure seat in case your horse spooks or rears. Built on full QH bars it has about a 6 3/4" gullet. It is great for trail riding or breaking in a youngster and has 7/8th rigging, which is most common in trail saddles. The stirrups are heavy duty and roomy enough for riding with winter boots, they are leather covered for grip and durability. I am selling this saddle with a set of stirrup turners free of charge, I bought these specifically for this saddle. They are made of THICK leather and nylon coated for durability. They are easy to put on and remove if need be. Even without the turners, I've never experienced sore knee's or hips in this saddle. I paid $500 for this saddle brand new, I am offering it for sale for $350 for the saddle alone, and $400 for the pad, off billet, latigo and complete back cinch. This saddle is worth much more, priced for a quick sale. Kept inside, in smoke free home with a cover. Kept clean and oiled (the leather parts) regularly.