First is a grey chocolate Hilason Treeless saddle. In excellent condition and looks like it was barely used. Traditional measurement gives me 15 1/2. Has an 8 inch thigh opening. Well made and will fit just about any horse. Asking $300
2nd Saddle is a really cute Stock saddle. No makers mark but a decent saddle. Comes with an Aussie girth as well. In good condition with a standard tree, with clearance for high withered horses. Not sure how to measure stock saddles Like a western I got 14, like an english from the front button I got 18. If someone would like to tell me how to correctly measure one I would be happy to. Would like $225.