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    11-26-2013, 08:56 AM
  #11
Yearling
Saddlebag, I appreciate that perspective, but given the goals of his riding experience, I don't think it will be the path I take with this particular student. I will, however, be sure that my mentor is noting how often I give feedback (positive or negative) on the chair seat position vs. how often I give feedback on other aspects of his riding.
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    11-27-2013, 01:24 AM
  #12
Foal
It's important that the rider learns to self correct too. During the lesson tell this individual that if he/she looks down and can see one's toes than the foot is too far forward. Another idea is to look at the stirrup length. Is this happening at sitting trot mostly or posting? Again, lunge work without stirrups like others have said-taking into consideration safety-helps. One exercise is to take both legs out from the saddle, put them back and down and this can be done at the walk. This opens up the hip. Explaining a little bit about biomechanics to the rider might help. For example, when the rider is first learning posting trot, we tend to say "up" and "down", this is actually not correct. Another thing, check out the saddle. Hope some of this helps.
     
    11-27-2013, 01:43 AM
  #13
Weanling
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Originally Posted by jaydee    
Ask him to glance downwards and tell you how much of his foot he can see below his knee
I know its not related to his problem but don't see any use in teaching someone to ride in 2 point unless they intend to progress to jumping and its certainly not something I'd expect someone to be doing in the first few lessons
Doing two point helps you put your legs back into the position. I was asked to do two point in my second lesson and practiced trotting while doing two point. Every time my leg needed to go back behind the girth I was asked to do two point for a few strides.
     
    11-27-2013, 12:07 PM
  #14
Super Moderator
Its obviously one of those UK to US differences
I worked and taught in a UK BHS approved Riding School, did my BHS exams, & was a pony club member and riding in 2 point just never happened until people learnt to ride an extended canter, gallop & jump
The problem with 2 point and beginners is that are unlikely to have the strength in their thighs or the balance to do it correctly and will end up bracing themselves against the stirrups
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    11-27-2013, 10:25 PM
  #15
Green Broke
^How odd, especially since two point is what most riders adopt to jump in. You learn something new everyday xD
     
    11-28-2013, 12:31 PM
  #16
Super Moderator
Many riders never aspire to wanting to jump - so learning 2 point doesn't matter to them at all and jumping is something that even those that want to do it don't learn until they've acquired the skill to sit deep and balanced in the saddle at the canter - that is the time that they would learn 2 point
Even in our ridden hunter classes you don't canter in 2 point
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    11-28-2013, 02:25 PM
  #17
Trained
2-point is an excellent way to feel the horse's center of gravity and motion. Those ought to be pretty high on the list of things to teach a new rider. It also makes an excellent check on your position for some types of riding.

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    11-29-2013, 11:07 AM
  #18
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Standing in your stirrups is not the correct way to ride 2 point. Your heels do sink down but should not be used to force yourself upwards, the position comes from just above your knee and requires good thigh and core muscles
Most of the really awful jumping seats you see are a result of incorrect understanding and execution of 2 point
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    11-29-2013, 12:56 PM
  #19
Green Broke
^A trainer error.
     
    11-29-2013, 01:06 PM
  #20
Super Moderator
Yes very much a trainer error - which makes you wonder how qualified some of them are
Sometimes the end result of having someone stand up in their stirrups to put the leg back into a better position - only way you can really stand up - is that when they sit back down they still push all that weight on to the heel which will have the effect of forcing the leg forwards, tensing the calf muscles, pushing their backsides out of line and straight into that dreaded chair seat position
     

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