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        06-18-2014, 10:50 AM
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    Foal
    Reducing Herd... Need Advice!

    I am the President of the Board of Directors for an equine-assisted therapy program. (horsesinc.org) We have come to the conclusion that we need to reduce our herd and have three horses and two minis that we need to move. Sounds simple, right? Who wouldn't want a therapy horse as your kid's horse or grandkid's? Well, in this case it isn't that simple.

    The minis are very cute and it likely will not be difficult to find them good homes, probably by listing them on our Facebook page.

    But, the three horses are another matter and here is where I need advice. These three horses were acquired as projects, to be developed into therapy horses. However, for reasons to numerous to detail here, they have not been trained. We have a paint mare that is a half-sister to two horses in our program. She is 6, gentle, but has not been ridden. We acquired a nice paint TWH gelding from a lady that could no longer ride. She rode this horse. We have not worked with him. Well, I have been on him in an arena just to get a feel for him. He is a pretty reactive horse. VERY people-friendly, but not for a beginner rider. Other than that, I don't know much about him. The third horse is a Halflinger gelding that came to us with a lot of fear issues. Fear of people, mainly. (If you are wondering why in the world a therapy organization would acquire these horses in the first place, you are not alone with those questions! All I'll say is that at last night's Board Meeting we adopted new rules for acquiring horses, requiring the Board's approval.) The Halflinger has not been ridden to my knowledge. None of the previous owners of these horses has indicated they would take them back. We are asking again.

    Without much information on the horses, other than pictures and their size, how do I advertise them? Where? What do you think the best outcome can be? (We don't want to take them to the local sale barn.) Thank you for any advice!!




    [FYI - going forward we have adopted a free-lease policy for acquiring horses, with a mandatory 2-month trial basis. Under this policy all newly acquired horses will be owned by their original owners and on lease to us for as long as we deem the horse to be appropriate for our program. The owner maintains rights to visit the horse, but cannot terminate the lease without our approval. If/when the horse is no longer a good fit for our program, the horse reverts back to the owner or to a person the owner designates. Many other similar groups use this type of policy successfully.]
         
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        06-18-2014, 03:42 PM
      #2
    Weanling
    I am not sure if I really understand the problem here. Just put them in the internet with all the information you have and just be honest about it. I assume that you know that you will not make any profit on those horses as they are basically as green as it gets.

    Me and my partner are always looking for projects to train and work with. That is just what we do as horse trainers. And we usually pick up horses for free or very cheap as they have not been handled much or handled not the right way...

    Maybe there is even a website with "wanted" ads in your area? I have seen quiet some people looking for cheap project horses.

    Good luck in finding a new home for these guys.

    I would probably take one if I would be anywhere close by...
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        06-18-2014, 04:38 PM
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    Trained
    If you have someone who can put 30 days on them, then I'd give each horse a Tune Up and then list them for sale with any observations you have from the trainer and disclose any and all issues you are aware of. Obviously, they won't go for much since they won't be trained as you had intended, but they should be sellable. If not, sale barn. When you have to cut numbers or a horse is not working out, then sometimes you just have to do what you have to do.
         
        06-19-2014, 10:07 AM
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    Foal
    Thanks for your replies.

    We do not expect, or hope, to turn a profit on the sale of these horses. Our intent is to get them into a good environment and give them a chance at a good life.

    I have listed horses for sale in the past, but always with a lot of knowledge about those horses! I feel funny listing a horse that I really know nothing about. Yeah, I can do that, it just feels odd. Most certainly I will not misrepresent the horses!

    We have decided to first list them on our group's FB page. A great many of our followers have seen these horses in person. Perhaps some of them will be interested. If that fails to garner any attention, we will go to the traditional horse sale sights. I guess if all else fails, we can take them to a sale, but that would be last resort.

    I love the idea of putting 30 days training on them, but the cost of doing that might be hard to recoup.
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        06-19-2014, 08:00 PM
      #5
    Trained
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by JMaldaner    
    I love the idea of putting 30 days training on them, but the cost of doing that might be hard to recoup.
    AND THIS: "These three horses were acquired as projects, to be developed into therapy horses. However, for reasons to numerous to detail here, they have not been trained. "

    My point wasn't for profit or even to recoup the costs, you won't, but you WILL live up to the agreements that were made with the owners who originally gifted the horses to you and deliver on promises that were made at the time. That's not about profit, it's about fulfilling your agreements and delivering on your word.

    We have a therapeutic riding group near where I live and they're always looking for volunteers. Why? Because everyone thinks they're all for the good of the horses as well as the riders, and they find out that the leaders of the facility take a lot of gifted horses right to the auction and turn them over for that little bit of money. While it's understood that not every horse donated will end up being suitable, most won't IMO, it is not disclosed that they will take any horse and then just run it on through the auction when they know in advance the horse is not suitable. This disillusions a lot of their volunteers and help and they quit because they feel it is not honest.

    While YOU personally may not have taken on those horses, and you may not have made those training promises to their owners someone on behalf of the organization DID. You need to at least attempt to follow through and try to assure that these horses end up better off than they were when they came to you. It's a matter of principles and ethics.
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        06-19-2014, 08:10 PM
      #6
    Foal
    Craigslist would be the best. For the people scared horse sell him for a very low price and explain the issues. Do this with all of the horses. Name the article something like "Training Prospects". If a trainer picks them up and trains them to ride and makes profit off of them then that would be great. Just be honest with the people and tell them what they need to know. It might be hard to get rid of them but sell them for dirt cheap and someone will come along. For an unbroke horse with no good bloodlines or known bloodlines you're talking MAYBE 50$ depending on your area....Good luck.
         
        06-19-2014, 08:55 PM
      #7
    Foal
    Dreamcatcher Arabians - I am going to give you the benefit of the doubt and consider your last post to be in a helpful spirit. Your tone borders on disrespectful.

    I am troubled to hear of the actions of your local organization, running horses through a sale to gain a few bucks after indiscriminately acquiring them. That is a lack of ethics, as you point out. Do not lump my organization into that despicable group. I can assure you nothing is farther from the truth!

    And, let me remind you, you were the one who suggested taking horses to a sale as a last resort.

    So, now that the air is cleared, let me tell you what has been done so far.

    We have listed all the horses on our group's FB page. From this, we have one volunteer who is going to take the TWH and another volunteer is taking a mini. We have two people interested in the Halflinger, but nothing certain yet. With the way people connect on Facebook these days, this is probably the best way for us to find people who are familiar with us and maybe even these horses. Looks like it is going to work out. And, please reference the policy change we are making to have added flexibility in the future. There is light at the end of the tunnel.
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        06-19-2014, 09:23 PM
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    Trained
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by JMaldaner    
    Dreamcatcher Arabians - I am going to give you the benefit of the doubt and consider your last post to be in a helpful spirit. Your tone borders on disrespectful.

    I am troubled to hear of the actions of your local organization, running horses through a sale to gain a few bucks after indiscriminately acquiring them. That is a lack of ethics, as you point out. Do not lump my organization into that despicable group. I can assure you nothing is farther from the truth!

    And, let me remind you, you were the one who suggested taking horses to a sale as a last resort.

    So, now that the air is cleared, let me tell you what has been done so far.

    We have listed all the horses on our group's FB page. From this, we have one volunteer who is going to take the TWH and another volunteer is taking a mini. We have two people interested in the Halflinger, but nothing certain yet. With the way people connect on Facebook these days, this is probably the best way for us to find people who are familiar with us and maybe even these horses. Looks like it is going to work out. And, please reference the policy change we are making to have added flexibility in the future. There is light at the end of the tunnel.
    I actually had no tone or intention for disrespect. It was intended to be a helpful post and to remind you that someone promised something to someone regarding those horses, and that hasn't been fulfilled by your own statement. I wasn't saying that you had to take these horses to keep forever and aye, just saying that while 30 days may not be recoverable to your organization, something is owed to the horses. If you can find them good homes without spending further money, YAHOO!, but in the case of the people scared horse for instance, that might mean the difference between life and death for him.

    Taking horses to the local low end auction is always a last resort in my books. If it's the difference between getting them off the feed bill and adding $50-100 so the OTHER horses, who do serve the purpose can eat rather than go without or get shorted, then local auction it is. I don't believe in making those who can adapt or serve suffer for those who can't or won't. I just don't do that kind of an extreme cull right off the top and wouldn't suggest it either.

    "but they should be sellable. If not, sale barn. When you have to cut numbers or a horse is not working out, then sometimes you just have to do what you have to do."

    I'm not lumping your group in with the local one, not by a long shot. You're right, they are despicable, even if they do some good with the therapy riders, I sure wouldn't want to be one of their mounts nor will I donate, cash, horses , services or feed to them. The fact that you are on here asking for help and concerned with the right way to go about things and have already changed policy before you came here, speaks volumes about the thoughtfulness of your organization.
         
        06-19-2014, 09:33 PM
      #9
    Yearling
    Theres a FB page that you could post them on too called Horses Sales and Horse Stuff for Sale
         
        06-19-2014, 09:50 PM
      #10
    Foal
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by danicelia24    
    Theres a FB page that you could post them on too called Horses Sales and Horse Stuff for Sale
    Thank you! I did not know of that page.

    I really feel like we are almost there! We have almost 1,000 friends on our Group Page. Actually, I think we did hit 1,000. I am continually surprised by the support of the community. For a personal horse sale years ago, I had good luck with Dream Horse. But, it just felt odd trying to use that site with an untrained horse. I guess someone could go there looking for a prospect.
         

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