Great. Just what we need.

 

Did they finally post a video of it? *runs off to youtube*

 

HAHAHAHA i must say, i LOVED how the musicwas all soothing in the background, while Pat go all angry at a horse. Its sad he didnt just say: "okay, this horse is nervous to this new enviroment, so were not going to do as planned because he needs a littlemore work" *go out,get another hrose*

OR shown them what to do (in a nice way!!) when the horse is like that. AKA groundwork, to get his attention on you. then practice touching his ears and face in a relaxed way until he is relaxed.

I would have totally loved to be there. And stand-up and say: 'GOOD JOB PAT! keep up the GREAT horse whispering!!!'

He could have just said, 'hey, its still a troubled horse, not everything goes right all the time!' and they would have understood.

My horse used to be deathly scared of people touching her ears... it took a while, but everytime i brought her in from the feild, or wanted to ride, i would touch her ears... now i can touch her ears all i want. Its the simplest ways that work the best. lol.

Losing your temper is the biggest fault people have, it can compeltly ruin a horse.

 

(I didn't read all 13 pages of this thread)

HAHAHAHA i must say, i LOVED how the musicwas all soothing in the background, while Pat go all angry at a horse.

HAHA. ME TOO!

Poor horse.

 

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Losing your temper is BAD when you're with horses. If you get mad, turn the horse out, and WALK AWAY. Calm down, take deep breaths and really think before you work with your horse when you get mad.

I watched two of clinton anderson's headshy videos on RFDTV, and he made ALOT of progress in just an hour. Wow, parelli's BS is really starting to catch up to him!

This is pretty sick as well:

 

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Losing your temper is BAD when you're with horses. If you get mad, turn the horse out, and WALK AWAY. Calm down, take deep breaths and really think before you work with your horse when you get mad.

I watched two of clinton anderson's headshy videos on RFDTV, and he made ALOT of progress in just an hour. Wow, parelli's BS is really starting to catch up to him!

This is pretty sick as well:
YouTube- Natural Horsemanship the Parelli way!!!!!!!!!!!!!

If I was that horse I wouldn't know what the .... she wanted of me and just freaked out. I thought these people were supposed to be good with horses. BS.

 

Between this and Linda's video earlier this year I'm interested to see what direction the program goes.

 

Agreed.

 

Good heavens! Where's my popcorn?? *Sits back to watch the thread evolve*. :hide:

If Mr. Parelli wants to deal with his horses this way, more power to him. His horses, his party. If the owners of the horse are content to watch this carry on for the 2 hours described in the clip, that's their affair. That being said, call it what it is; it certainly isn't "love, language, and leadership". If Mr. P did that to my horse, I'd show him right where to put that carrot stick. :shock:

I've personally bridled horses, just seen a small kid at a 4-H meeting with a tall horse and ask if they needed help, slid the bridle on piece o' cake, and had the kid tell me that the horse had never been bridled without a twitch and a panic attack before. Perhaps there is a time or place for twitching/hobbling/whatever-the-heck he was doing, but it does look like a pretty darn harsh reaction for the simple "don't touch my head" evasion.

 

Wrong video. Oops.

 

^ convenient editing huh?

 

Very. And not the video I wanted to share. I will try and find the other video again and post it, right now it's lost to the e-gods.

 

They said the horse was brought in because the grooms had trouble bridling him and it would take about 10 minutes to get the job done. However in the end of the 10 mins they did get the bridle on (Whitaker refused to show how in front of the crowd). Parelli spent over 2 hours, a gum line twitch, a leg rope, and still no bridle on the horse. It would have been nice to see what went on behind the scenes to where they could suddenly bridle Catwalk the next day! Some more Parelli natural training? Or perhaps a couple quick shots to make a calmer horse?

 

Interesting article on the hullabaloo.

EVENTING NATION: VIDEO: Pat Parelli and Catwalk controversy at Express Eventing

 

:?I am not opposed to using a bit of force occasionally on a horse if the behavior warrants it (and a scared horse never warrants punishment anyway, correction yes, punishment no), so long as it is done only as much as needed and never out of anger. My biggest problem with the whole thing is how big of hypocrites the Parellis are. They preach about using understanding and love to communicate with your horse and never ever use force and most of the Kook-aid (not a typo) drinkers run around spouting off that you can train any horse to do anything you want without ever having to bump the halter or pop him with the lead rope and then you see crap like this. If you're gonna be harsh occasionally, fine, just don't go around thumping your own bible and then publicly violate every one of your ten commandments.

 

:?i am not opposed to using a bit of force occasionally on a horse if the behavior warrants it (and a scared horse never warrants punishment anyway, correction yes, punishment no), so long as it is done only as much as needed and never out of anger. My biggest problem with the whole thing is how big of hypocrites the parellis are. They preach about using understanding and love to communicate with your horse and never ever use force and most of the kook-aid (not a typo) drinkers run around spouting off that you can train any horse to do anything you want without ever having to bump the halter or pop him with the lead rope and then you see crap like this. If you're gonna be harsh occasionally, fine, just don't go around thumping your own bible and then publicly violate every one of your ten commandments.

well said!!!!:d

 

^Well said, smrobs. WFT.

 

Seriously. Sometimes you can't be all rainbows and butterflies, but in a public showing? C'mon. And I'm with the others, was this even a last resort??

 

Seriously. Sometimes you can't be all rainbows and butterflies, but in a public showing? C'mon. And I'm with the others, was this even a last resort??

A public showing, especially one designed to exhibit what the "Parelli Ideals" achieve in an ingrained problem, I would expect far more tact. Love, language, and leadership indeed. :? :roll:

 

I try not to watch anything Parelli. I dont agree with the training methods used and I think its all smoke and mirrors anyways. Thats just my crazy conspiracy theory though. No need to get into my psychosis!

The video with linda is appauling. I was floored that anyone would let her treat an animal that way. Granted, she more harrassed him than hurt him...it was still really horrible to watch. After 2 mintues of that lead rope flipping around...wouldnt you try another approach?

The PP-Catwalk video, if you can call it that, is a true shame. All that leadership crap and he can't even grant a scared horse some patience? They say to go at *any* problem like you have alllll day to solve it and it usually takes just a few minutes. He snatched up that horse like he had a hot date in 20 minutes. Who knows, maybe he did. I heard accounts of this video before I saw it and it was pretty terrible. They said that linda flung herself out of her chair and ran over to help him hold the horse. I guess the whole thing ended with him laying the horse down and forcing the bridle on. At that point, not too many people were left in the crowd. I guess they weren't impressed.

 

What is the point in posting this video? You show a 2 minute video and I am suppose to come up with a conclusion about Parelli and his techniques? Give me a break.

 

Thats not the point, Its just Parelli alsways brags about his techniques and everything... well, it kinda shows here its all smoke and mirrors (as someone else said!)
Its just sharing interesting equine news.

 

I still cannot figure out what linda was trying to do with that horse! Imagine how confused the horse was! Linda is lucky that horse is quiet.

Madiera: We're not asking you to assess parelli's techniques as a whole, we're just pointing out that he is hypocritical in this video (love language leadership blah blah) and it causes us to wonder what happens behind closed doors.

I don't think tying a horse's leg is the right language to use here.

 

OKAY. QUESTION OF THE DECADE:

Why the HECK would a 'professional' send off his own damn horse? -facepalm-

And doesn't his difficulty to bridle warrant some thought as to WHY this horse is this way? And WHY Robert would be OKAY with seeing his horse so badly treated - IF it was poorly treated. I'm not going to judge someone or something in under two minutes. That's foolish.

Setting times on training is idiocy. "Yep, I'll have him ready to go in thirty days!" Or even worse "LOL We'll have your headshy horse ready to bridle in TWO HOURS and you'll be set for life!" Head shyness is so touch and go, and it's curable, but it takes a lot of long, patient work. Not two hours worth.

I just don't get it, I guess why someone would try to put a horse through that - whether it's Pat Parelli, John Lyons, Clinton Anderson or any other money-stuffed BNT.

 

And doesn't his difficulty to bridle warrant some thought as to WHY this horse is this way? And WHY Robert would be OKAY with seeing his horse so badly treated - IF it was poorly treated. I'm not going to judge someone or something in under two minutes. That's foolish.

I went to the clinic with my qh. CA-type trainer with certified assistant. Granted the trainer (and I used the guy before) while pretty firm had good timing and actually made horses to do the right things by moving their feet. Now the assistant was just OMG! Impatient, no timing what so ever, and when the horse didn't do what it should do (well, the horse was not asked correctly either, BTW) she violently used the stick to smack her neck. Guess what? The owner was standing right next to it nodding her head. Why? I don't know. The trainer was smart enough to actually take the lead from the assistant and asked horse to do the correct thing (quietly). But still I'd never send my horses there for the training. Because the assistant rides them too and who knows what happens when I'm not around.

 

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Did you read the article scoutrider posted? It has more information about what happened.

 

tehehe i giggled when they showed the part of them sharing a sandwich... YES, that DEFINITLY shows a strong bond!! i mean, when i share a sandwhich with a horse, geez, me andthat horse are perfect buddies after. I dunno, it just made me laugh. anyways, this is the video on the article scoutrider posted... they edited it.

I wouldnt REALLY go far enough to call it abouse (then again, the video is very blurry) but I would call it just being WAY to rough with a horse, ESPECIALLY when you claim to be some kind of a horse whiperer keeping it natural.

 

yeah I have never agreed with Parelli....Monty Roberts all the way for me as I have often thought that the fact you have to pay $50 for an orange stick which is classed as a peice of basic equipment....I was like yeah watever
But heres the thing. Yes we all preach to never loose your temper around horses but we have at least once right? And we have learnt from it. I mean one of the ones that sticks in my mind is trying to lunge Dana after rain. Dana hates being lunged at best of times and I DONT KNOW WHAT THE HELL I WAS THINKING but I did it anyways. After she slipped once, Dana slammed the brakes on, whipped around and glared at me before putting her head down and walking out of the ring. I tried to to hold her back but she just kept walking and dragged me all the way back to the barn LOL....but I learnt my lesson. Horses dont take being bullied lightly and it will only be a matter of time before the Parellis realize that........

 

The videos really aren't good enough quality or unedited enough to see what was really going on - At least on my Iphone. I can't even see the gum line or whatever he is supposedly using.

Whatever does happen in the video I will say this - I have no doubt that Pat is a good horseman. Sure, he may have lost his temper, or it may not have been the right place for that type of training, but I don't think it is anything terrible.

In regards to the program this training is hypocritical, but I don't think you can really call it abuse. My pony had to be twitched for the dentist weekend just gone, and she was so chilled out and relaxed afterward I swear she liked it!

 

Sure let's say Parelli was totally right to do this even though it took two people over two hours to get NOTHING accomplished. The problem here is what happens when one of his followers decides their horse is bridle shy and tries this method? They would be INCREDIBLY lucky for even one to walk out unscathed if not seriously injured/dead. This is not a method to be showing people who want to train like you!
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Sure let's say Parelli was totally right to do this even though it took two people over two hours to get NOTHING accomplished. The problem here is what happens when one of his followers decides their horse is bridle shy and tries this method? They would be INCREDIBLY lucky for even one to walk out unscathed if not seriously injured/dead. This is not a method to be showing people who want to train like you!
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Don't worry. I'm sure he put some sort of disclaimer that his followers are not at the proper Parelli training level and need to buy more DVDs and colored sticks before attempting such an advanced method.

 

Oh Puck I love you lol
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I do think perhaps PP dos some things right. BUT, it has just gotten too commercial. Anyway, I actually laughed out loud watching LP in the second video-no sound-from a horses point of view. She truly looked SO silly-flailing the rope around, most of the time too long to really affect the horse at all-frankly, I think he was laughing at her as I was! She sure got NO respect from him, for sure...but then....she forgot her stick! lol
I do see a benefit for SOME of the techniques of many of the "NH" people.....but now I am a bit scared-I am taking my horse back to a "Parelli" barn for the winter-YIKES! THey are the only western around in a sea of H/J......and they DO know that I subscribe to mnay more ideas that JUST PP~ lol! After all-noone knows everything, and CERTAINLY not him or his "lovely" wife. )

 

excuse me folks,
but I am sick and tired of any person who says the Parellis have some good things to offer...dang few and their demonstrations get more and more diluted.

What is with the 'forced' domination dance that those horses had to go through?

I know that I could have bridled that horse in about 30 to 45 min. and never caused him trauma. He would have felt me being the boss stallion with the slap of my cupped hand on his neck [represents being kicked by another of the herd] and the word no being used.....and that would have been all it took.
Been learning from horses for over forty years and what the Parellis and the other showmen of the clinic demonstrate is NOT horsemanship.

P.T. Barnum is proud of these clones of him.

 

excuse me folks,
but I am sick and tired of any person who says the Parellis have some good things to offer...dang few and their demonstrations get more and more diluted

What is with the 'forced' domination dance that those horses had to go through?

I know that I could have bridled that horse in about 30 to 45 min. and never caused him trauma. He would have felt me being the boss stallion with the slap of my cupped hand on his neck [represents being kicked by another of the herd] and the word no being used.....and that would have been all it took.
Been learning from horses for over forty years and what the Parellis and the other showmen of the clinic demonstrate is NOT horsemanship.

P.T. Barnum is proud of these clones of him.

I cannot stop giggling. So your telling us you are going to slap the horse with a cupped hand, tell it no, and whammo! Put the bridle on within 45 minutes and call it a day. That is pretty cool!

I tend to believe if the horse was so easy to approach/deal with then Pat would have figured that out. And yes, I would have to say Parelli has numerous examples out there of true horsemanship and definitely has contributed to the horse world in positive ways. No doubt about it.