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post #21 of 38 Old 02-19-2014, 05:29 PM
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I would never use a bridle that didn't have a throat latch - and you really should have learn the first time it came off that its wasn't safe
I'm sorry to sound like I'm lecturing you but go and get a good bridle that stops on before something like this happens again but with a disastrous ending
If you want to ride bitless then maybe try an English Hackamore that you'll have more control of him in - now he's gotten away from you once he knows he can do it so will probably try it again - everything that happens when we're in charge is training and you've now trained him to know he can run away with you.
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post #22 of 38 Old 02-19-2014, 07:32 PM
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Did I miss on the tape when he bolted? It sounded like he was trotting at the end.
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post #23 of 38 Old 02-19-2014, 09:24 PM
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Just a side comment here. I did not appreciate the comment about riding with people who are inexperienced. You couldn't control your horse and so looked for something to blame it on other than yourself.

Also as you are so experienced I hope you offered lots of help and tips on the ride.
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I guess I am coming from the same angle as Liligirl. You are so unsympathetic to someone who is inexperienced and nervous and yet YOU were the one who lost control of YOUR horse. Your horse could have been killed on the highway, you could have been killed, the other horse and rider could have been killed. It COULD have been an absolute disaster.

And somehow it is this other person's fault?

Maybe you guys should ride separately. For both of your safety.

I guess I'm a little sensitive to this subject because I have a young spooky horse and when I ride with other people I am sure I am not the most fun person to ride with. However, if that other person looses control of their horse due to a tack malfunction that is in no way my fault. And I would feel fortunate that my horse didn't bolt and follow the other bolting horse.

So yeah, us scardy cat riders are a PITA. But the wreck was YOUR fault, not hers.

Actually, while I enjoy riding with other people, I find my horse actually listens better alone, so there are perks to riding alone. It sounds to me like both of your horses are too inexperience to be riding together. Riding together works best if one horse is a "been there, done that" type horse and can be trusted to be a good example. If both horses can't be trusted then putting them together makes it twice as likely something bad can happen.
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post #24 of 38 Old 02-20-2014, 07:02 AM
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Just a side comment here. I did not appreciate the comment about riding with people who are inexperienced. You couldn't control your horse and so looked for something to blame it on other than yourself.

Also as you are so experienced I hope you offered lots of help and tips on the ride.
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I guess I am coming from the same angle as Liligirl. You are so unsympathetic to someone who is inexperienced and nervous and yet YOU were the one who lost control of YOUR horse. Your horse could have been killed on the highway, you could have been killed, the other horse and rider could have been killed. It COULD have been an absolute disaster.

And somehow it is this other person's fault?

Maybe you guys should ride separately. For both of your safety.

I guess I'm a little sensitive to this subject because I have a young spooky horse and when I ride with other people I am sure I am not the most fun person to ride with. However, if that other person looses control of their horse due to a tack malfunction that is in no way my fault. And I would feel fortunate that my horse didn't bolt and follow the other bolting horse.

So yeah, us scardy cat riders are a PITA. But the wreck was YOUR fault, not hers.

Actually, while I enjoy riding with other people, I find my horse actually listens better alone, so there are perks to riding alone. It sounds to me like both of your horses are too inexperience to be riding together. Riding together works best if one horse is a "been there, done that" type horse and can be trusted to be a good example. If both horses can't be trusted then putting them together makes it twice as likely something bad can happen.

Well said.
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post #25 of 38 Old 02-20-2014, 08:25 AM
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While the angle of that video is less than helpful in terms of assessing the situation, at one point just before whatever happened happened, I saw a pink line (I think a lead rope?) trailing on the ground behind your horse. Is it possible he stepped on that line and that contributed to the headstall coming off?

Having something tangle around his legs and/or jerk his face unexpectedly could certainly have caused something unexpected to happen..


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post #26 of 38 Old 02-20-2014, 05:01 PM Thread Starter
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I had a little more insight today on the situation. The lady who feeds the horses has been warning me for a few months about the rider I was out with, saying no one else wants to ride with her because they all think it is dangerous. I understood what she was saying and took it with a grain of salt as well.
I think her horse is lovely but I wish she could control him better (I think she's also the type of person where a little something is missing, like common sense or inner strength). I talked with another lady at the barn today who was there when my horse got loose and knows both horses and the other rider. I told her I feel like I'm having to babysit the other horse and rider a lot when we go out and my horse got fed up. She said that's how a lot of people feel about the rider and why no one goes riding with her. It makes me a little sad to hear this and put some other pieces together, I guess she's caused enough drama there already and no one likes her. Other boarders have literally thanked me for going riding with her so they don't have to, and I thought it was silly at first, but after 3 emotional rides I understand why I am drained too. I still think its a bad position for me to put my horse and me in, and somehow now, I'm going to have to break that to her. I should be glad though because she had a nervous breakdown on the trail that day just getting her horse to do a circle and I had to tell her that she should do it again the right way so her horse knows instead of just half assin it, and while I can be there to support her quite a lot its just been hard on my horse and I.
I took my horse in the arena today to jump and he was perfect. I am thankful no one got hurt and that my horse hasn't had any bad karma from this, everything seems to be working out and there are a lot of people at the barn who support me and still think m horse is great. Just acted a little out of character the other day as they would say.

On a 2nd note I also ride other horses, most of which are green out on the trail, I can totally understand where some are coming from with the blame game, because green horses do things wrong so its easy to blame them for it.
Though the rider having experience is important too because the horse will have more confidence and feel better doing its job, not nervous or hesitant which the other horses can pick up on.
I still don't blame her or her horse for my tack malfunctioning. However I do hold her responsible for her actions on her horse and any other horse she may choose to ride.
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How worried to be though! Oh gosh, she just sent me a txt that her horse bit her yesterday!
My friends horse is with her horse in the same pen and my friend and I have both noticed her horse gets like that when we are in there cleaning or getting the other horse out, wants to bite but never does with us, guess he finally found the opportunity to on her, hope she smacked him for it!

Ah well subjects changing just really wanted to share this fluke experience, and have had a few days to think about it and am ready to move on to new goals rather than dwell.
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While I am no endurance rider, I do ride trails, and lots of them in summer. I ride with multiple levels of riders, and my rules are always simple: be safe, and be considerate, otherwise I'm riding away from you.

I always feel it's my responsibility to make sure my horse is trained properly to be able to handle riding with or without the group, towards or away from others, from home, or from wherever else I ask. Sometimes on trail things happen such as a horse gets injured or lame and then someone has to turn around and ride back. Riding with ill fitting tack, or inexperienced riders isn't an excuse for not having control.

That said, stuff happens. Things go wrong. Even the best, most seasoned trail horses have issues. My horse once figured out how to get his bridle off in the river. Fortunately he was nice enough to also let me put it back on without having to have a very wet dismount haha! But if a person is an ongoing issue, don't ride with them. I know if I ride with someone who is unsafe or inconsiderate, and continues to have issues with their horse (as opposed to riding for the training work, and working to improve their horse's behavior), I simply won't ride with them anymore. We all have to start somewhere and my trail horse was a bit of a snot when I first got him and would rear and spin, and wanted to always be in front and would buck and have a fit if someone passed him at the gallop. So I spent a good solid year trail riding with anyone I could that was experienced enough to help me ride through it. Pass us, and me make him slow down. Let others first. Start in front and be passed. Pass, then slow down and let others pass again. Ride away from the group, and so on. Now he's almost always great.

He did once this summer decide that his hoof bruise was crap and he'd take off w/o me (I was leading him at the time) and thanks to Phantomhorse on here, her and her horse dragged his lil butt back to me where everyone else rode to camp and we walked. Slowly. Far far far far away from everyone else. With frequent halts. And turn backs out on trail, and so on. But I know that was primarily because he was footsore and HATES admitting it, and has too big of a sense of humor for his own good (he would slow down to let Phamtomhorse catch up, then stay *just* out of reach). Moral of the story - he wasn't *that* footsore if he could run like that, so we had a nice slow walking lesson in remembering our trail manners the whole way back to camp.

Stuff happens. Things go wrong. They ARE animals. At the end of the day we need to do what we can to be safe and courteous when riding on trails, especially with others, and do everything we can to keep our horses prepared and properly trained - regardless of who (or what) else we come across out there.

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I'm afraid that I don't get the video either. Sorry
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post #30 of 38 Old 02-20-2014, 09:30 PM
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I just watched the video again, made me dizzy, and the other rider's horse looks calm moving forward, the rider looks relaxed for the few seconds that she was visible, and the she does not seem to be hanging on her horse's face.

What did this spooky horse/rider combination do when your horse "bolted"?
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