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post #11 of 80 Old 04-26-2012, 12:14 PM
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If you can't carry a knife on you while on the trails, I know an awful lot of campers and hikers that are going to be in a lot of trouble. Seriously.

I agree with Maura - small town cop - with WAY too much time on his hands.

I wonder how he would feel about hoof picks? Their pointy. How about nail files that women carry in their purses? Paranoid much?

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post #12 of 80 Old 04-26-2012, 12:28 PM
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I some times carry a hoof pick combo so what is that a weapon of mass destruction

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thats what we were trying to explain to this gentlemen... i guess town hall is my next stop... we haven't heard from him yet so i am just curious to see what rules are actually out there...
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post #14 of 80 Old 04-26-2012, 12:36 PM
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I hope I didn't offend anyone with my comment on small town cops but in the small towns I've lived in most have been wonderful but there was always that "one" who was always in someone's business simply because he could. That said, I agree that you should definately find out if this is truely on the books. If it is, I hope you try to get it changed as this is a safety issue. I once tried to go into a courthouse with a folding hoof pick (I carry it in my purse because it was my dad's) They were not happy....

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I personally wouldn't have given him my information. He has no rights if he was off duty and not in uniform. How do you know that he is going to use this information for waht he said? Here in Pennsylvania and lower NY we don't have to stop for an unmarked police car or un-uniformed police as we have had some situations where a man abducted a woman by saying he was an undercover cop.

I would call your city officials also.
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Judging by the state you live in, I am not surprised by the attitude you got from this tool.

NJ is very anti-gun, very anti-weapon, and very anti-self defense unless your are one of the elites.

How does that matter? It explains the mindset this guy had going into the encounter. He sees a knife and sees a weapon, while most normal people see a tool.

I will also say that knife laws vary WIDELY from state to state and from town/county to town/county within the same state. USUALLY, the defining characteristic that makes a knife a tool or a weapon in the eyes of the law is blade length. Notice I said, usually.

Before you head to town hall, you had best read up and understand your state and local knife laws.

In my state, only the state government and private property owners can decide which areas are off limits to armed people. City, county, and township government cannot enact ordinances that are more restrictive than state law.
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post #17 of 80 Old 04-26-2012, 01:07 PM
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Maybe he was Barney Fife!

Yeah showing my age on that one
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post #18 of 80 Old 04-26-2012, 01:09 PM
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this goes for all trailriders/endurance riders or anyone riding in public...

this past weekend i was riding with some folks conditioning for an endurance event and we had stopped because one person was having tack issues.

a bystander walking by (Who we later found out was a cop) stopped and asked if everything was ok and realized one of the members(30+yo) had a knife and was cutting twine to tie down his saddle bags since one of his straps broke, and the cop/bystander said no one is allowed to bring weapons on trail! the gentlemen who was using his knife, politely told him its part of every riders tools when riding out and that in our case its a necessity. so the bystander/cop asked if we all had one an we all pulled ours out and explained afew of the many reasons why we need it available. and the cop/bystander took our names and wants to check and see if there are any rules on this...

is this really possible.. to not be able to carry a utilty/pocket knife on trail?? i feel like thats the same as saying we can't take a hoof pick..but i also understand for safety why it wouldn't be allowed..

also note thiscop/bystander is a small town cop... so some feel he is out to prove a point..

opinions on this matter would be greatly appreciated :)
Depends… was this a public trail or private trail? Was this a city/town park, a county park or a state park?

Each city/town could have mundane laws/ordinances to control weapons on public lands. Each city/town then usually has a descriptor of what qualifies as a weapon or what not.
Specific parks then usually have extra “no-no” rules that can be enforced by local officials.
Many of these things are usually kept in ordinance books and are easy to discover at the local town hall or police department. If it was a county or state park/public lands then a call into the county seat or state seat can yield those answers, or whomever governs that particular trail. Not sure what your state has, but if it was game lands you might need to check with the Game Commission.

Some towns are pickier than others and do indeed wish their police force to look out for all the little things. Some not. And of course some cops are more “enthusiastic” about their jobs than others.
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The day someone tells me I can't take a knife on the trail is the day I quit going out on them.

A pen is only a tool for writing until you stab someone in the throat with it, then it's a weapon...

Pssh.I didn't pick up the wrong lead
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post #20 of 80 Old 04-26-2012, 01:28 PM
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The day someone tells me I can't take a knife on the trail is the day I quit going out on them.

A pen is only a tool for writing until you stab someone in the throat with it, then it's a weapon...
Very true! And our reins could be used to strangle someone.....seriously, I am getting fed up with all the "regulations!"
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