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post #21 of 80 Old 04-26-2012, 12:33 PM
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Originally Posted by DressageDreamer View Post
Very true! And our reins could be used to strangle someone.....seriously, I am getting fed up with all the "regulations!"
We could club someone over the head with our stirrups....Or smother someone with our saddle pads...Stab somebody with our spurs.... Or beat them to death with our riding crops too!

Pssh.I didn't pick up the wrong lead
It's called a counter canter...
...A very advanced maneuver.
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Originally Posted by AndreaSctlnd View Post
I personally wouldn't have given him my information. He has no rights if he was off duty and not in uniform. How do you know that he is going to use this information for waht he said? Here in Pennsylvania and lower NY we don't have to stop for an unmarked police car or un-uniformed police as we have had some situations where a man abducted a woman by saying he was an undercover cop.

I would call your city officials also.
nope we have to stop if you feel threatened by an unmarked car however are loophole is you have to call the station while driving and ask for them to find out which cop is following you to verify to pull over .so you have to give street and such and they will also send another mark vehicle out there.
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post #23 of 80 Old 04-26-2012, 12:37 PM
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Originally Posted by SorrelHorse View Post
The day someone tells me I can't take a knife on the trail is the day I quit going out on them.

A pen is only a tool for writing until you stab someone in the throat with it, then it's a weapon...
Completely off topic, but when I was working in the prison, there was an inmate that got stabbed in the head with a #2 pencil. It went between his scalp and his skull and got about 3 inches in before it broke. That was quite a fascinating day at work LOL.

Like someone else said, the laws regarding knives will vary depending on your state and where you were riding. Each state, town, county, agency, will have their own ordinances/laws about what you can carry and what you can't.

With all that said, I agree with Maura about that guy, he was just trying to make himself look like a big badass. All the cops around here couldn't give 2 squirts of duck poo if you carry a long as you aren't brandishing it as a weapon.
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Originally Posted by mildot View Post
Judging by the state you live in, I am not surprised by the attitude you got from this tool.

NJ is very anti-gun, very anti-weapon, and very anti-self defense unless your are one of the elites.

How does that matter? It explains the mindset this guy had going into the encounter. He sees a knife and sees a weapon, while most normal people see a tool.

I will also say that knife laws vary WIDELY from state to state and from town/county to town/county within the same state. USUALLY, the defining characteristic that makes a knife a tool or a weapon in the eyes of the law is blade length. Notice I said, usually.

Before you head to town hall, you had best read up and understand your state and local knife laws.

In my state, only the state government and private property owners can decide which areas are off limits to armed people. City, county, and township government cannot enact ordinances that are more restrictive than state law.
last i checked in highschool was as long as it was a pocket knife with a blade no more then 4inches it was a tool.. that is the smallest needed to gut game however that can possibly have changed...

and how youa re so right with jersey being anti -gun and knife ...err it makes basic camping and hunting hard
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Originally Posted by Lockwood View Post
Depends… was this a public trail or private trail? Was this a city/town park, a county park or a state park?

Each city/town could have mundane laws/ordinances to control weapons on public lands. Each city/town then usually has a descriptor of what qualifies as a weapon or what not.
Specific parks then usually have extra “no-no” rules that can be enforced by local officials.
Many of these things are usually kept in ordinance books and are easy to discover at the local town hall or police department. If it was a county or state park/public lands then a call into the county seat or state seat can yield those answers, or whomever governs that particular trail. Not sure what your state has, but if it was game lands you might need to check with the Game Commission.

Some towns are pickier than others and do indeed wish their police force to look out for all the little things. Some not. And of course some cops are more “enthusiastic” about their jobs than others.
yeap the rules are tricky here, because its part of the appalchian trail that cuts thru jersey, it is state but its also national which is where the lines get mixed up...
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Most states have rules about carrying firearms on the trail but knives? In Utah you'd be hard pressed to find anyone who rides without a gun and/or a knife. In National parks you can't carry a gun UNLESS you are the lead or tail rider in a string. But even then you'd better put it in a saddle bag and not on your hip.

As far as a utility knife goes... I think that guy was just looking for something to do. Most utility blades are under 2" so I'm not sure what he's worried about. Even a long utility blade is only 4". He obviously knows nothing about riding and what you may encounter and need on the trail.

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post #27 of 80 Old 04-26-2012, 02:37 PM
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yeap the rules are tricky here, because its part of the appalchian trail that cuts thru jersey, it is state but its also national which is where the lines get mixed up...
Ah, see what you mean. Well then things will probably be as clear as mud!
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post #28 of 80 Old 04-26-2012, 03:58 PM
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This has nothing to do with laws or regulations, IMHO. Over the last perhaps 30 years I've noticed that people actually prefer having millions of black and white rules rather than having to think, apply some common sense, and make a decision on their own. That's why we have kids in kindergarten being suspended when their mother packs a plastic fork and knife with a piece of cake in their lunch by mistake.
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post #29 of 80 Old 04-26-2012, 08:37 PM
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Without seeing a badge, there is no way I would have given a non-uniformed stranger on the trail my information, and only then after calling to verify who the heck he was.

Not allowed to carry a pocketknife on trail? Then guess what, I am riding illegally ever moment I am in the saddle, because a knife lives in my saddlebag (and my barn is in NJ, so that is where I do all my training!!).


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post #30 of 80 Old 04-26-2012, 08:50 PM
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I have one question did this guy actually show you a badge? How do you know he was a off duty cop? Did he just say that or did he provide identification? Alot lf nuts can say they are cops and really are not. If he didnt provide a actual badge I would be KMA and rode off. JMO

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