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post #71 of 80 Old 04-29-2012, 02:03 PM
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Well when a butt head cops says "XYZ" is illegal. Now who has one. and the rest pull one out to show him. You pretty much get what you deserve.
Pretty much what someone else was saying about "not talking to a cop."

Here, the person claiming to be a cop told the rider that the knife was illegal. The correct response was "thank you, officer." It went wrong when the rider "admitted" to the "crime," informed the "officer" that they regularly disregard that "law" and informed the officer that "everyone" - including the other friends present - were guilty of the same infraction both then and on a regular basis.

If this was truly a crime worth prosecuting and the "officer" was so inclined, he had a guaranteed conviction. The original knife was out in the open and a full confession was received. Probably cause to justify a search of everyone else there was created when the first person (and others) admitted they also broke the "law."

The same rule applies to everyone, whether or not this guy was really a cop. Some person approaches you with the obvious intention of ruining your day, don't have a conversation, don't explain yourself - simply shut your mouth and walk away. Nothing good will come from arguing your point, especially if the other person really is a cop.
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post #72 of 80 Old 05-01-2012, 09:52 AM
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Never heard of a law like that. I carry a small raspberry pink knife with a 3" blade to cut stuff if needed on the trail. My cousin gave it to me as a present. Some sports REQUIRE a knife - I used to scuba dive (still would if I had the chance!) and you are required to wear a large knife on your leg and would be an absolute IDIOT not to. If you got tangled in fishing line you are a dead man unless you can cut yourself free. I think just about all of us carry a knife on the trail and a friend carries a little folding saw!

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went to the state troopers head quarters (not the town police) and asked them what/if there is any rule.

they have informed me that there are rules regarding carrying a knife but as long as the knife is a small pocket knife with a blade no more then 4in then its fine and there is no regulation. he said that its normal practice in our area to carry a knife so for a cop to say anything is ridiculous.

if you are hunting then thats a different story. so now i will wait for jake and dai to fill me in on what the town cops say. :)
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post #74 of 80 Old 05-01-2012, 11:14 AM
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I personally wouldn't have given him my information. He has no rights if he was off duty and not in uniform. How do you know that he is going to use this information for waht he said? Here in Pennsylvania and lower NY we don't have to stop for an unmarked police car or un-uniformed police as we have had some situations where a man abducted a woman by saying he was an undercover cop.

I would call your city officials also.
Umm I beg to differ on this. A county deputy is ALWAYS on duty. (here in Ga some counties they are required to go armed 24/7) They have full arrest/investigation authority whether in skivvies or uniform.

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Umm I beg to differ on this. A county deputy is ALWAYS on duty. (here in Ga some counties they are required to go armed 24/7) They have full arrest/investigation authority whether in skivvies or uniform.
Really? Huh, now I will have to waddle over to the other side of my building and ask. (I work in the Municipal building with the city police.) LOL

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post #76 of 80 Old 05-01-2012, 11:26 AM
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Really? Huh, now I will have to waddle over to the other side of my building and ask. (I work in the Municipal building with the city police.) LOL
I emailed a friend who works in a neighboring county to see if we can get the excerpt from the training and regulations manual, and post it without getting him in trouble. I swear I am thinking GSP has to do the same/has the same authority, but I am not positive. Need to google LOL

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I personally wouldn't have given him my information. He has no rights if he was off duty and not in uniform. How do you know that he is going to use this information for waht he said? Here in Pennsylvania and lower NY we don't have to stop for an unmarked police car or un-uniformed police as we have had some situations where a man abducted a woman by saying he was an undercover cop.

I would call your city officials also.
I know of no jurisdiction in which full time peace officers leave their powers of arrest at the station house/barracks when they go home.

Just because they are off shift does not mean they cease to be police officers.

I'd also like to see a citation to statute that says you do not need to stop for an unmarked police car displaying police (blue, red, or blue/red) lights.

You absolutely must stop for a vehicle like that. However, what happens next is dictated by the appearance of the person getting out of that vehicle.

If the driver that pulled you over comes out in civilian clothes, do not not open any window and drive away while calling 911. If dispatch confirms the person is a police officer, request that a uniformed officer be dispatched as you pull over.

If the driver is in uniform, and you still uncomfortable, ask to see his credentials (official police photo ID).

Many states have completely unmarked patrol vehicles doing traffic enforcement. The excuse that the car is unmarked will not fly too well in court when the officer testifies that he had his blue lights on for you.
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My response to the "off duty" cop for my info would have been my name is John doe and I would have cantered off down the trail. Whats he gonna do run ya down ha haha hahahah.
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Umm I beg to differ on this. A county deputy is ALWAYS on duty. (here in Ga some counties they are required to go armed 24/7) They have full arrest/investigation authority whether in skivvies or uniform.
Wouldn't you love to get on the Atlanta news telling the world that you were arrested by a guy in his skivvies ?? ..................

The jury would laugh so hard that it would be hard for them to convict you.

(I'm not disagreeing with you. It is just too funny to think about.)

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post #80 of 80 Old 05-01-2012, 03:33 PM
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Hmmmm.... Unless your horse has a license plate on its rear, I see no problem with just saying, "Thank you officer" and trotting on down the trail.

That's just what happens when you give a little man a little power.
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