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    09-22-2011, 12:56 PM
  #21
Weanling
I'm in the process of selling my (almost) 2 year old Quarter Horse gelding in order to make room for my heart horse to come home. I showed him to a family yesterday. I expected just the mother and daughter to show up, since it was the daughter looking for a horse. I was rather surprised when they brought 4 other children and the father.

One child was in a car seat. The two young girls were afraid of Levee. The young boy took one look at my horse, screeched and darted right at his face. To his credit, Levee simply blinked and back up a step. I asked the father to please mind his child because I could not guarantee that my horse would remain 100% calm with a screeching, darting child.

Not five minutes later, the kid started running in circles around my horse, yelling and getting so close that he actually brushed up against my horse's hind legs. Visions of the child being punted across the stable yard filled my head as I asked the family - again - to contain their child for his own safety. Luckily, Levee reacted far better than I thought he would and only flicked an ear back when the child brushed against him. He has always seemed to enjoy children more than adults, but I never imagined that he would be so calm when one was running around in circles.

Needless to say, Levee will not be going home with that family. Not only did they put their child at risk, they put my horse at risk. They had no clue about the care required of a horse and they had no idea one couldn't just crawl on an unbroken horse's back and ride. When we talked on the phone, they gave me the impression that they were familiar with horses and the responsibilities... but once I started questioning them, it became apparent that they just wanted a cheap and pretty horse.

At least I know Levee is kid-proof.
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    09-22-2011, 01:37 PM
  #22
Weanling
How inconvenient for you that she brought her other children AND husband. It must have been traumatic. I know that I live in a completely different world than most of you but my kids are with me more often than not, if I'm not at work. I would've never thought twice about bringing my kids with me to look at a horse. Now I can't speak for the discipline of other peoples children, because I in no way would tolerate the reckless behaviour but simply their presence wouldn't shock anyone where I live.

It's a sad world some people live in when children can "get on the bad side of a barn owner" for playing in a hay stack. When I was a kid we would have only avoided someones hay stack because whoever owned it would have probably (and frequently did when we got older) put us to work. I love the innocence that children bring to life. People need to quit being so uptight. Even unruly children are usually good when you interact with them. The problems come when they are ignored. I can't even imagine being so angry at the world that I couldn't enjoy the presence of an innocent child.
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    09-22-2011, 02:09 PM
  #23
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Originally Posted by Bearkiller    
How inconvenient for you that she brought her other children AND husband. It must have been traumatic. I know that I live in a completely different world than most of you but my kids are with me more often than not, if I'm not at work. I would've never thought twice about bringing my kids with me to look at a horse. Now I can't speak for the discipline of other peoples children, because I in no way would tolerate the reckless behaviour but simply their presence wouldn't shock anyone where I live.

It's a sad world some people live in when children can "get on the bad side of a barn owner" for playing in a hay stack. When I was a kid we would have only avoided someones hay stack because whoever owned it would have probably (and frequently did when we got older) put us to work. I love the innocence that children bring to life. People need to quit being so uptight. Even unruly children are usually good when you interact with them. The problems come when they are ignored. I can't even imagine being so angry at the world that I couldn't enjoy the presence of an innocent child.
From what I've gathered in this day and age that is if someone gets hurt on your own property. You can get sued for it, no I wouldn't let kids play on my haystacks either. I wouldn't exactly get mad at them, but I'd tell them to get off and have fun somewhere else.

Kids aren't *my* forte. I don't want anything to do with them. That's just my opinion.
     
    09-22-2011, 02:30 PM
  #24
Foal
I have to agree that I love kids. My horses are desensitized of kids to the highest degree. Haha. I giggle when an excites little girl comes running up giggling. That's just my opinion. My horses put their head down & wait to be loved on. I have a five year old & a puppy who run outside the pastures yelling (&barking) & carrying on. Playing with swords & water guns & whatever. My horses walk up to the fence & put their head over to say hi. Were they like that at first? Nope, but thy learned quick. My 7 month old foal loves my son & waits with his head over the gate whinnyig for him.
I'm thankful for all the kids that come to the farm to visit because they sure do a bunch of imaginative desensitizing that I wouldn't even think of ;) & I remember doing alot of yelling & screaming when I was younger around the horses too. So, I feel it's natural.
However, I will not deal with cruel acts. I had a little boy throwing rocks at one of my horses one day. I marched up to him grabbed his arm, & marched right to his house, told his parents & he was my barn slave for two weeks... Pe request of his parents. He then loved horses & comes with apples everyday. Sometimes they need to be disciplined & they always need to be taught, but I can't get angry for normal child play.
What if it's a deer or a dog that comes bolting out? A deer certainly can't be helped & your horse needs to know how to handle those things. If, on my farm, an animal can't handle children they won't last long. There are always tons of kids around especially this time when they come for pumpkins & such. They always want to see the horses & I always let them.
I consider "kid training" invaluable because if they can handle a bunch of goofy 5/6 year olds & their toys, they can handle almost anything.
It'd be a shame to expect a kid not to play before expecting a horse to stand & realize nothing is going to hurt him. Plus I think it prepares them for alot. & mostly they aren't doing anything wrong- they either don't know any better, or are just excited.

I realize not everyone likes kids, but even if not- the desensitizing should be appreciated haha! Now my son knows not to run up on a horse wing tacked or yell in their face or throw things or whatever, but some don't, & I sure am glad my horses are used to antics bc god forbid a bag ever flew by their head or something else in the wind.. Now they are ready for it :)
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    09-22-2011, 02:36 PM
  #25
Foal
Kids can be quite stressful when you are around horses. I've delt with a lot though, guiding public trail rides when I was younger, so you had a lot of people who didn't know squat about horses with little unruly kids running about. Before a kid even comes around my horses, (even though my horses are all level headed and kind) I give them the speech about being behind a horse, going under one, making loud unexpected moves, getting bit, petting them without supervision ect... 8 out of 10 times we don't have problems. However you do run into those kids that do things that make you cringe and thank god your horse is sane. Say a kid runs right behind a horse without a thought -I let them know that wasn't a smart move and tell them what they need to do in an authoritative yet kind manner. HOWEVER when they commit the same offense over and over -that I have specifically gone over and told them more than once NOT TO DO that's when I start getting upset and let them know that if they do it one more time, for their safety, I am going to have to ask them to stay completely clear of the horses until I say otherwise.

As far as kids spooking my horses, that's happened plenty times walking through a campground. I now turn on high alert if I'm riding around general public areas now too!

Things that have REALLY made me mad? People on dirt bikes. Now usually you hear them coming, get off the trail and face your horse towards them. Usually, when they see you they slow way down or I've had people who'll kill it instantly and just slide to a stop. Love them! However, one time in particular I was about 10 yrs old riding around the trails by my house and 2 dirt bikes came up on me. When the riders saw me the one leading sped up and slung gravel at me as they passed and the second rider reared up on a wheely and reved really loudly no more than 10 ft from me. That's what makes me mad. I've also been chased before in a truck by un-known persons. Talk about scary. O.o

So really most acts that spooks my horse, committed innocently, doesn't get me too riled up.
     
    09-22-2011, 02:43 PM
  #26
Weanling
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Originally Posted by Katesrider011    
From what I've gathered in this day and age that is if someone gets hurt on your own property. You can get sued for it, no I wouldn't let kids play on my haystacks either. I wouldn't exactly get mad at them, but I'd tell them to get off and have fun somewhere else.

Kids aren't *my* forte. I don't want anything to do with them. That's just my opinion.

Oh sure, you could get sued but we can't live in fear. I have insurance and whatever happens, happens. If someone doesn't want people in their hay, they certainly have that right. But I'm not sure what the big deal is.
     
    09-22-2011, 02:47 PM
  #27
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Originally Posted by Bearkiller    
Oh sure, you could get sued but we can't live in fear. I have insurance and whatever happens, happens. If someone doesn't want people in their hay, they certainly have that right. But I'm not sure what the big deal is.
I'm all cool with people who allow it. I just don't take those kind of chances. Getting sued isn't on my to do list. I play it safe with those kinds of things. Now for things risking my own personal life, I can't say much there. I'm a thrill seeker. I don't fear death, I do fear getting sued, or the feeling of being responsible for someone else's injuries or death.
     
    09-22-2011, 02:53 PM
  #28
Foal
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Originally Posted by Shananigan    
Kids can be quite stressful when you are around horses. I've delt with a lot though, guiding public trail rides when I was younger, so you had a lot of people who didn't know squat about horses with little unruly kids running about. Before a kid even comes around my horses, (even though my horses are all level headed and kind) I give them the speech about being behind a horse, going under one, making loud unexpected moves, getting bit, petting them without supervision ect... 8 out of 10 times we don't have problems. However you do run into those kids that do things that make you cringe and thank god your horse is sane. Say a kid runs right behind a horse without a thought -I let them know that wasn't a smart move and tell them what they need to do in an authoritative yet kind manner. HOWEVER when they commit the same offense over and over -that I have specifically gone over and told them more than once NOT TO DO that's when I start getting upset and let them know that if they do it one more time, for their safety, I am going to have to ask them to stay completely clear of the horses until I say otherwise.

As far as kids spooking my horses, that's happened plenty times walking through a campground. I now turn on high alert if I'm riding around general public areas now too!

Things that have REALLY made me mad? People on dirt bikes. Now usually you hear them coming, get off the trail and face your horse towards them. Usually, when they see you they slow way down or I've had people who'll kill it instantly and just slide to a stop. Love them! However, one time in particular I was about 10 yrs old riding around the trails by my house and 2 dirt bikes came up on me. When the riders saw me the one leading sped up and slung gravel at me as they passed and the second rider reared up on a wheely and reved really loudly no more than 10 ft from me. That's what makes me mad. I've also been chased before in a truck by un-known persons. Talk about scary. O.o

So really most acts that spooks my horse, committed innocently, doesn't get me too riled up.


Oh! I will agree with the dirtbike thing! Now, my bf & all his buddies ride dirtbikes at the farm, (they ride competitively) so that helps bc the horses are used to it. However when I'm out on the trail or something & someone is rooster tailing & throwing rocks just to be obnoxious- it does NOT matter if my horses are used to it or not. I highly dislike people like that! Same with motorcycles if your on the road & they gun it on purpose. My horses are okay with it but I just can't seem to understand WHY you would wanna act like that or do it!
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    09-22-2011, 03:30 PM
  #29
Foal
Some people make me angry because they decide to yell at a kid who's only around the age of 8 when they don't even do it on purpose. When I used to ride my old horses none of the smaller children understood that they couldn't be making loud noises while people were riding. Sure, it got frustraiting, but after the stable owner explained to them what they were doing wrong they quit.

Yelling at people and saything that you hate children doesn't accomplish anything. Some people have to remember that they were once children who were ignorant about things. Getting down to their level and explaining to them what they do wrong works so much better than yelling at them. Parents who live in areas like that have to take responsibility and teach their children how to act when a horse is coming through.

Hm, people on dirtbikes drive me insane when they're obnoxious. They know what to do when a horse is around them and they refuse to do so and can get someone seriously injured. Although I don't want them to learn from their mistakes when someone gets hurt, it may be the only way to teach them a lesson.
     
    09-22-2011, 03:48 PM
  #30
Weanling
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Originally Posted by Bearkiller    
How inconvenient for you that she brought her other children AND husband. It must have been traumatic. I know that I live in a completely different world than most of you but my kids are with me more often than not, if I'm not at work. I would've never thought twice about bringing my kids with me to look at a horse.
Might I suggest you read the entire post rather than jumping so quickly to conclusions? It wasn't inconvenient for me that she brought her entire family. Good on her, a horse is a huge decision. What bothered me is the fact that they were obviously not prepared to meet a horse. I forgot to mention this, but the majority were in flip flops and other variations of sandals. They allowed the children to run amok in an area where they could have gotten hurt. There are horses everywhere and not all of them are as calm as Levee. They could have been hurt, and then I would have been liable. There's absolutely no way myself and my horse should have been put at risk because the parents decided not to contain their children.

I never lost my temper on the kids, I simply asked their parents to keep them in check, while explaining my reasoning behind it. The last thing I want to see is a child getting kicked or injured because they didn't know any better and I firmly believe it is the parent's responsibility to keep them in line. I don't have children, but my first instinct would be to keep my children a safe distance from the horse and avoid running behind it and screaming. That's just common sense.
     

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