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post #41 of 54 Old 09-24-2011, 10:43 AM
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Ohh okay! I'm sorry, I definitely did not get who socrates was... Its the weekend and I lost my mind I guess. I did not get for some reason that you were quoting someone. I'm so sorry. Haha. That's cool though that he said the same thing so long ago though, I read it and just assumed it was someone attacking kids again, I'm 16 and people assume they know what I'm like just from my age, it drives me insane because maybe im wrong...but I think I'm a pretty great kid ;) haha
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post #42 of 54 Old 09-24-2011, 11:04 AM
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It isn't the kids, my friends. It's their parents, and the mores of today. When I was a kid (and when my kids were kids) we knew what discipline was. Kids weren't allowed to run wild. Kids learned how to behave whether they were around livestock or not. Good behavior meant that if a kid didn't know they weren't supposed to go behind the horse, a simple "don't go behind the horse" meant the mistake would not be repeated. If it was repeated, a spanking would be in order.
Yes, Dee, I think that this is the issue. Kids usually, but not always, are a direct reflection of their parents' responsibility towards them. I have taught a bajillion kids in schools and can tell which ones have had good parenting and which ones have not after seeing them for just a couple of class days. Kids should be taught self-control and appropriate behavior in different situations. Granted, kids are kids and teaching moments come up frequently.

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My girls grew up in the country - and had the run of our property and the neighbor's pastures. In the summer, I saw them at breakfast, lunch and dinner - maybe a snack or two, and the rest of the time they were playing in the woods...outside in the fresh air - NOT in front of the TV.

My step grandkids are fairly new to the country, and were not raised in such a manner that they could develop any common sense, so they cannot be allowed the run of the property and the neighbor's places.
Yes, agree. TV has become a babysitter, unfortunately, and this is not the place to go into the negative effects of that! Dee, do your grandkids enjoy going out to your home in the country? Even though they may need a lot of supervision, I would think that they would like it. When I was young, was a city kid, but we always had so much fun visiting grandpa's farm in north Georgia. It was much more fun than watching TV!
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Originally Posted by ridergirl23 View Post
Ohh okay! I'm sorry, I definitely did not get who socrates was... Its the weekend and I lost my mind I guess. I did not get for some reason that you were quoting someone. I'm so sorry. Haha. That's cool though that he said the same thing so long ago though, I read it and just assumed it was someone attacking kids again, I'm 16 and people assume they know what I'm like just from my age, it drives me insane because maybe im wrong...but I think I'm a pretty great kid ;) haha
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I think you are a pretty good kid myself. Now when you study Socrates, you'll be one step ahead. I'm glad you see that I was taking up for kids.

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post #44 of 54 Old 09-25-2011, 10:48 AM
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Yes Sir, Children are all evil.
Mine have all grown up and left me to find new riding partners.
They think that work, school and friends are more important than going for a ride with Dad.

They have left me to do all the chores. They still enjoy an occassional ride, but expect me to keep their horses legg'd up and ready to go.

Dang Children.
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post #45 of 54 Old 09-25-2011, 12:44 PM
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You sure you're not talking about my children????

They say, "Keep those horses fat, groomed, shod, and ready to roll (at Mom's expense of course). We'll ride them every other month, but not with you, with our friends............ "

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post #46 of 54 Old 09-28-2011, 11:55 AM
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I have a general rule, that if a dog can learn to behave in public, your child should be able to as well. And hopefully parents hold their child to a higher standard of behavior than a dog.

"Barn kids" are probably some of the best kids to be around because (usually) they've been taught to have respect for the horses, and they understand that the barn/farm is not their personal jungle gym to play in. They also come in handy for getting horses used to all sorts of crazy things while also being respectful enough to stop what they're doing when asked. Horses, in turn, tend to be good teachers, because they don't listen to the whining or pay attention to the crocodile tears that some kids use to get their way.

When kids grow up with the knowledge that they have to actually earn things by working for them, that they don't automatically get a prize just for showing up or doing what they're supposed to do anyway, and that there are times and places where some behavior just isn't acceptable, they usually grow up to be responsible and respectful adults.

Sadly, though, there are an awful lot of "precious snowflakes" being raised to believe that they can do no wrong. Their parents are convinced their child is a sweet, angelic, wonderful, innocent "little person" and always have an excuse for the child's bad or disrespectful behavior.

It must be something in the brain chemistry that makes parents unable to see that their little cherub is just a manipulative little brat - or, they want to be their child's "friend" all the time, so they make a lot of threats of punishment but never follow through with any of it because they're afraid their child may not like them anymore.

Even some of the people I know with older kids (tweens and teens) are so desperate to be the "cool mom/dad" that they let their kid get away with more and more stuff and then blame everyone else when the kid actually gets into serious trouble or gets hurt.

The end result is a generation of selfish, entitled kids without any sense of being held accountable for their actions, no idea of negative consequences, expecting to be rewarded for everything they do, and knowing their parents will always come running to their defense when they get into trouble.

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post #47 of 54 Old 09-28-2011, 02:42 PM
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ha ha

ha ha kids are kids. they nothing about horses unless they were raised with them like mine. They are not to blame. YOU ARE. You are not properly situated to sit your horse in difficult times nor have you properly prepped your horse to encounter suck things. The kids are not to blame. You came to them not them to you.
Sorry this happened, but they are called unforseen circumstances. You should be prepared for unforseen circumstances.

I would rather think there would have been more blame had it been dogs running loose but not kids. There are no leash laws for kids riding in their own neighborhood now are there?
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Please quote the part of the OP where I said the *horse* spooked, bolted, jumped, or I lost control of her. Cheers!
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post #49 of 54 Old 09-28-2011, 07:16 PM
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I agree with what seems to be the majority of the people here some kids are great and some kids are not and it really does depend on how they are taught. For instance today I was at the grocery store and there was a mom there that gave her daughter a cookie and the girl was screaming and crying at the top of her lungs that she wanted one with iceing on it she was at least 5 years old and should of known better the whole time the mom instead of correcting her was telling her that she was so sorry that there were not any cookies like the one she wanted. Needless to say I hurried up and got what I needed and got out of there. I was there at least 20 minutes and the whole time the girl was screaming you could hear her all over the store.


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post #50 of 54 Old 09-28-2011, 07:22 PM
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Horses and kids are a joyest mix sometimes.
My own cousin sometimes comes around when I'm preparing for a show. He knows what is safe and what isn't.

Some other kids sadly don't.
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